The Longevity Loop Podcast
Hey, I'm Brent Wallace, and it's exciting to share my podcast, The Longevity Loop, with folks who are interested in the topic of anti-aging and longevity science who, at the same time, are dedicated to growing their longevity-focused business, whether that be a brick and mortar clinic or an eCommerce endeavor. I'm 100% all in on helping people who run clinics and businesses that focus on helping folks live longer and healthier lives. It's my mission to help spread the word about living longer and helping others live healthier lives.
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The Longevity Loop Podcast
Beyond Disease: A Physician's Journey to Personalized Longevity Care
Dr. Jack Penner shares his journey from sports medicine to founding Kuros, a longevity-focused medical practice that embodies the Medicine 3.0 philosophy of proactive, personalized preventative care.
• Former UCSF faculty member now running Kuros, offering telemedicine services in New York and California
• Grew up with dual influences: passionate about sports performance and son of a primary care physician
• Defines Medicine 3.0 as proactive, personalized care focused on preventing chronic diseases of aging
• Sets aggressive health benchmarks much earlier than traditional medicine - catching problems before they fully develop
• Uses advanced diagnostic tools like continuous glucose monitors, ApoB testing, and specialized imaging not readily available in conventional care
• Provides high-touch care by reviewing patients' meal photos, exercise routines, and making specific lifestyle recommendations
• Focuses on helping patients "age into" the life they want with both physical optimization and mental/emotional wellbeing
• Takes a whole-system approach rather than optimizing individual biomarkers in isolation
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Speaker 1:I'm your host, brett Wallace, and this is the Longevity Loop Podcast. All right, dr Jack Penner, take two. Welcome to the Longevity Loop Podcast. We can hear each other just fine, so, yeah, let's just jump into it. We got a little bit of a time constraint, so let's just get right into it.
Speaker 1:But first off, I just do want to say that this podcast is for information purposes, only for anyone listening. Anything that me and Dr Jack Penner talk about today is for informational purposes. It's not meant to diagnose, treat or cure any medical conditions. So always consult a qualified medical provider for your personalized medical advice, because all this stuff is very specific to who you are especially important with the longevity medicine. There's not a one size fits all. This is all very. They call it precision medicine for a reason. It's very much just for you and your genetics. So just make sure anything that we talk about here it's not advice in any way, shape or form. Me and Jack are just having a conversation as friends and we're really big fans of the Longevity Community Medicine 3.0. So that's that taken. Jack, you are formerly from UCSF faculty and you've recently made the jump to Kuros, your new brick and mortar and telemedicine longevity. What made that jump? And just tell me a little bit about that background and what brought you into longevity medicine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, awesome, brad. Thank you for the question. I appreciate it. You know, I think for me the transition felt a bit like a stepping into something new and a coming home to something that I have felt quite acquainted with for a long time. You know I came up in the sports performance area. I was an athlete growing up, played sports throughout high school, played water polo in college at Santa Clara University and always had a huge affinity for training sports, performance and that sort of health aspect of things. I was also really privileged to grow up in a house with a primary care physician. My dad was a community primary care doc for 45 years or so I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:That's super cool.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so I saw, I saw kind of both sides. I had my own experience as an athlete, saw kind of both sides of it. I had my own experience as an athlete. I saw primary care and preventative health and really the relationships that he was able to build with his patients over the course of my entire life.
Speaker 2:And when I finished playing water polo, you know, I was sort of in college, I was majoring in public health, I was considering a career in the public health sphere, also considering a career in medicine, and I think the things that really came together for me to lead me into medicine was around the that aspect of the sort of one on one relationship, the chance to really get to walk with somebody kind of over the course of their lifespan and over the course of their health span. And then I personally, when it came to athletics and playing water polo, I loved competing, yes, but I also just really loved the training side of it. And so after I finished playing, I sort of spent some time doing strength and conditioning coaching and doing fitness coaching with athletes but also with individuals who just wanted to, you know, take, take control of their health, maybe lose some weight, improve their fitness overall and it was really in that sphere, kind of having this eye towards a career in medicine while doing the work of fitness coaching that I was like, wow, this feels like what primary care could be and should be, which was, you know, the opportunity to work on lifestyle strategies, work on lifestyle implementation in ways that I felt like the fitness coaches and strength and conditioning coaches had the opportunity to, in ways that physicians didn't necessarily, because of the ways that the system was structured. And then, at that same time, there was sort of other things kind of kind of coming into my own sphere of information. This was probably around 2012, 2013.
Speaker 2:I started to read Peter Atiyah's blog when at that time it was called the Eating Academy and he was just starting to write a little bit, and I think there were these different inputs around athletic performance and health, chronic disease prevention and then my own aspirations to pursue a career in medicine. That made me feel like, wow, this is a real home base Throughout residency training. You know, in the move from medical school to residency, I kind of had a rude awakening of how challenging the system is to support that kind of work and really fell in love with the medical education side of things and that sort of started a career path in academics but over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just to interject right there, when you say the system, you're kind of talking about all the red tape and bureaucracy that's involved in the we'll call it medicine 2.0 system, right?
Speaker 2:Is that what you're talking about when you're like just Exactly, yeah, the red tape, the bureaucracy, but also the way that that system has to operate at scale.
Speaker 2:That leaves patients with little bits of time with their clinicians, and also a system that's really designed to make people, you know, sort of functional but not necessarily optimal right. There really is sort of the avoidance of disease rather than the cultivation of health. That is a necessary aspect of a system that's really focused on a little bit more reactive care and a little bit more of taking care of major emergencies, as opposed to setting people up with a foundation. And so, working with that challenge, I was like I don't know that I can bring these aspirations that I had into a traditional medical system, and so I kind of put that on the back burner for the first few years of my career. But quickly those aspirations came knocking again and it felt like it was a time to make a shift, both for my own fulfillment but also seeing how much momentum there has been in the health and wellness community around this tour, this move towards more proactive and more personalized preventative care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean, I'm just right there with you. I remember I think Tim Ferriss is who introduced me to Peter TN talking about the merging of longevity medicine with athletics, and I always remember him talking about like drinking ketones tasting like rocket fuel and all those. I was like whoa that's what you have to do for being high performance.
Speaker 1:You know so, but that was also kind of one of my earliest, you know, kind of integrations to longevity medicine, but also with the crossover of not just living a long life but also being health optimized to be a great athlete. You know as far as like the recovery, the sleep, you know the supplementation, the different diets, stuff like that. So you're touching on, you know, which both me and you know as medicine 3.0, which is a term that Peter Tia I think he coined it, but how would you define it? I mean, it's you basically define it, but if you're going to succinctly say what medicine 3.0 is, how would you describe this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a great question, you know. I think everyone has their own way of framing it. I really come back to those principles of proactive, personalized, preventative care that's really in service not to a specific number on a blood test or a specific set of metrics, but ideally in service to the life that people want to age into. I think if we look at the way that the traditional medical system is organized now, we talked about this idea of absence of disease being the hallmark, rather than the presence and the cultivation of health and meaning and fulfillment. And when I think about Medicine 3.0, it's saying wow, we have so many tools and so many advancements in the space of diagnostics now to really help people get a very clear picture of where their current risks are, where the opportunities for improvement are, but also where things are functioning really well.
Speaker 2:And I think if we stop there right, we can end up sticking around in the medicine 2.0 realm and say, okay, you don't have this disease, you're at risk for this disease and let's keep an eye on this.
Speaker 2:But if we take that a step further and say, okay, how can we take that information?
Speaker 2:Look at the life that somebody wants to age into over the next 30, 40, hopefully 50 plus years and sort of use that North Star and then back, cast to where someone is now and say, okay, how do we take the information that we have, adjust what you're doing from a lifestyle perspective, but also some of the more advanced tools around supplements, medications and other interventions and, you know, really mix that together into a plan that says this is what's going to help you get from where you are now to where you want to go, and to do that ideally with a physician or a care team walking alongside you to help you troubleshoot along the way.
Speaker 2:So I think it has that personalized component where we're taking that individual's information along with that individual's ideal destination. It's proactive. Ideally we're starting very early on in the process rather than waiting until disease is there and causing problems. We're saying let's start to keep an eye on this early and it's really focused on the prevention of what we know are the common chronic diseases of aging, cardiovascular, metabolic, hormonal body composition changes and then also the neurodegenerative diseases, and saying let's start early so that we can set you up to navigate these known transitions of life as smoothly as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that term. I've never heard that term. Age into where do you want? How do you want to age into this next, you know, section of life? It kind of reminds me of almost like a butterfly, caterpillar metamorphosis or something you know, but but that's a really cool term. I've never heard that used before. So, you know, I was looking at your website and you talk about, like you know, some of the big hallmarks of aging and also the things that bring humans down right, and that's heart disease, alzheimer's, cancer. So this proactive approach that you're talking about, how does that differ from today's primary carry, or I guess you'd call it, you know, the medicine 2.0 establishment? How does that?
Speaker 2:I think I would say there's three things that come to mind. The first is when we decide that there's something worth paying attention to, right. So one of the things that I try to do in my practice is set pretty aggressive benchmarks around where I hope people will be may raise a flag in a general primary care clinic might be a hemoglobin a1c, you know, sneaking up into the sixes. Um, you know, certainly 6.5 percent is uh, leads to the diagnosis of diabetes. Some people say 5.7 percent is pre-diabetes, and that's when we should start to pay attention to metabolic health.
Speaker 2:um, but in my own practice I I really try to say let's look at the whole picture of metabolic health and try to decide where problems are. And so a hemoglobin A1c that's creeping close to 5.7%, I think is something to start to pay attention to. If we start to see people's fasting glucose levels creep up into the triple digits, above 100, or their fasting insulin move up, you know, ideally it would stay at around seven or below. But if we start to see that sneak up but also functional tests, right, what is somebody's? What's the output where they're able to maintain, you know, still a conversational pace, whether that's running or walking or on the bike, and to start to say, rather than setting the threshold of paying attention at we see clear problems, let's start to set the threshold at a spot where we're saying, man, if this trajectory continues over 10 years, things are going to get really bad. So let's start to act now, before the problem has come up. So I think one is that kind of having that lower benchmark.
Speaker 2:The second one is just the tools that we're able to use. Again, so much progress has been made around diagnostics that a lot of the common traditional lab panels, whether that's for cardiovascular disease risk prediction, metabolic health, neurodegenerative disease risk prediction it's hard to get access to some of the testing, whether that's ApoB levels or LP, little a things like ApoE4 allele testing, continuous glucose monitoring. These are tools that are out there that can be incredibly powerful for the right person at the right time. Powerful for the right person at the right time, and my hope is to be able to make those available to folks who would benefit from them, rather than, as you alluded to before, there being all kinds of red tape and bureaucracy to run through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that, yeah, go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say that's been my experience. You know, if I look back and still like I still have my longevity doctor and I still have my primary care doctor. And my primary care doctor is the kind of once a year checkup, you know, like bend over cough, you know, hit you on the knee with a, you know that type of thing. But yeah, it's so funny that I'll ask, my PCP is like hey, what about getting a continuous glucose monitor or something like that. And they're like no, you know, you're not, your numbers are fine on here. Whereas, like, I'll ask my longevity doctor and he's like, heck, yeah, let's go for it. You know, let's see what's going on so you can really learn about your body. And that's yeah.
Speaker 1:One of the ways I define it as well is that that old, that older system which is still good for so much. Like you said, you know, if you break an ankle or you have something acute that you have to deal with, that system is great for that. But the preventative side of that approaches isn't as robust as medicine 3.0 with being proactive. Hey, like this is just starting to edge up. You know, at the upper end of normal. Let's start tackling it now, before it becomes prediabetes or it becomes a problem for you.
Speaker 1:You know in that and you can also, and then also with the modern diagnostic tools that you have. I mean, even just like this whoop is just crazy. You know, like, how much data it gives me and I luckily have a team around me and I have knowledge that I can interpret it, but it's just so much different than the old traditional primary care system that you have on there. And the other thing I want to ask you about that kind of piggybacks on this is that you know, so central to you and what you're doing at Kuros, as well as other longevity docs and just the future of medicine, precision medicine is personalized care is so central to this medicine 3.0 philosophy. So, with you personally, like having the time and space to spend with your patients how does that change the quality of care you can provide with them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a perfect segue because it really is the third piece of that component of what I'm trying to do with the practice. Right, we said we're going to set very, very high markers of what health looks like. We're going to use all the tools available to us to get information, but then I think the really the critical piece is helping people implement these right where where the rubber meets the road in terms of the changes that we're going to make and to be able to deliver really high touch care in that process. I don't want to be a physician that just says things like oh yeah, diet and exercise are important, go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2:I really want to be sort of on the ground with them and be like what are you eating for breakfast? What are you eating for lunch? Send me pictures of your meals and we can make tweaks here. See how your energy feels, see how your digestion feels. I'm really lucky to have some of the background training in the fitness and the sports performance space, and so I'm comfortable looking at training programs or making recommendations when it comes to programming or when it comes to people's exercise technique. You know and say, hey, send me your lifting routine. Ok, we're going to make some changes here. I want you to go up to four resistance training sessions a week and we're going to pare down the intensity of some of the aerobic work. And, you know, to really have all of these pieces start to integrate together beyond just the platitudes of like diet and exercise are important. How are we actually tactically approaching this, based off of the data that we were able to gather, so that we continue to be in service to the life that this person wants to age into?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean that makes it so cool that there's such that high touch and you have the ability to spend the time there, and that also segues into you recently wrote a Substack article titled the False Promises of Health Information and I really loved thing like I was talking about with the Fitbit or something like that, or Apple watch or whatever wearable you might have, or even a continuous glucose monitor.
Speaker 1:If you have these things and all this data without the team or the experience or knowledge to interpret it like it you're, you get really lost and whatever. And so, like reading that article, I'm like, yeah, that's such a good fact. There's more data and information than ever before, but yet there's kind of you know, like you guys are taking care of it in the medicine 3.0 as far as spending the time, and, like you said, like hey, I want you to do some more resistance training or whatever that prescription may be. But what inspired you to write that piece and just maybe talk about it a little bit? And anyone listening definitely go check out that piece on Substack. It's a great article.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for the kind words. Yeah, I mean, I'm always excited when people read it and when it resonates, I think, for me. What inspired me was I have been so excited seeing what has been an explosion in this space, right, especially in the direct-to-consumer side of things. It has become easier and easier for people to get really comprehensive lab testing, really comprehensive imaging studies, and you know, I think a lot of clinicians have differing perspectives on this. I am vehemently in favor of people having more information about their bodies and their health. Where I start to get concerned is when the models that are being designed around those really, you know, health information platforms. It's not what they offer patients. It's actually what they don't offer individuals who are pursuing them, which is that relational approach to things, right?
Speaker 2:there may be a summary of the lab panel results.
Speaker 2:There may be a one-time visit with somebody to help make sense of them, but from my perspective, this work of improving someone's lifespan, improving someone's health span right, not just the years in the life but the quality of the life in those years that's a real incremental process that I think unfolds over years and decades rather than weeks and months.
Speaker 2:And so when there's so much information, without the care and the relationship paired with the information that someone's receiving, I start to feel concerned that people are going to end up actually more confused than they were when they started.
Speaker 2:And so I think, seeing that trend come up, where people can get hundreds of biomarkers tested or they can get really nuanced imaging studies of looking for early cancers or looking for cardiovascular disease, but then not necessarily having somebody to say, hey, what does this mean in general? What does this mean for me today and how does this influence what I should be doing over the next five years, 15 years or even 35 years, and I think again, that's where that relationship that I really hope to be able to build and preserve and maintain with members of my practice over time, I think that's where that comes in and there's so much shine about the data and the information. I would love to see more and more of that shine come around the relationship and the relational aspect of it, because I think all of the data without care, we lose the person who this is all about. You know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and I was just going to touch on that too that I see a lot of AI stuff trying to bridge that gap of like, okay, here's, you know, if you go to a pre-novo, for instance, which is a full body MRI, which is amazing, but it's just like, okay, here's your scan, and they have a clinician there to like walk you through it or whatever, but without a game plan, with someone like you on my side to say, okay, cool, this is what this gave us. You know you might have low bone density or whatever, let's work. You know, like more resistance trainer or whatever the prescription might be. So, like, with in your experience there, you know, like we've got the AI. That's kind of bridging the gap, but it's not there by any means yet.
Speaker 1:What is the right balance between, like, patient driven health information you know like we're all listening to podcasts and reading books and finding out about all this stuff and then seeking a physician's guidance? You know and obviously this would be someone in the medicine 3.0, as we've been talking about guidance versus your primary care physician, although I mean, still discuss it with your primary care and see what happens. But you know, like, discuss it with your primary care and see what happens. But you know, like we're just kind of talking about that's probably not the best solution, but there's a balance there, right? You know it's like self-administer. I mean you can get anything online now from peptides to nootropics to whatever. So I mean you really can be 100% out there on your own. But there's a balance there. Right of educating yourself as a consumer and then also seeking a physician's guidance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right, and where that balance point is going to be is going to really differ from person to person. Right, somebody who has multiple comorbidities? Right, they may have known cardiovascular disease, they may have a recent diagnosis of prediabetes and be really worried about navigating a family history of cancer. That's a very different picture than somebody who's maybe in their early fees, completely healthy and is really excited and motivated about entering into this space. And so I think that that balance point varies person to person. But one of the one of the things that I consistently come back to is that a lot of times that patient directed health information gets someone started right, it might inspire them to make a change, it might make a problem that they didn't know was there. It might make that more known to them, and that can sometimes get people starting to move.
Speaker 2:But for most people, at some point along the way, we start to hit a speed bump, right, we start a strength training routine and our shoulders or our hips or our knees start to hurt. We may be able to make some nutritional changes, but we feel really hungry all the time or we're not making the progress that we hoped we were going to be able to make. Or we find out that, hey, this change that I made in my diet and exercise did wonders for my metabolic health, but now, all of a sudden, my doc told me that my lipids are out of whack and my heart disease risk has actually gone up, right, so there may be some of these countermeasures that come up, and all of those examples are things that I've talked with patients about directly, and I think those are the moments where we say, wow, I was able. You know what I tell them is you were able to take this so far on your own and now I just have the opportunity to get to help you continue to take this further. And I think, hopefully, that's where clinicians in the medicine 3.0 space, they can offer one, the sort of practical on the ground guidance that can be much easier for people to navigate with the accountability and the support of an expert, but also that more integrated approach.
Speaker 2:Right To say, hey, we know that this is going to make this better, but we also need to look over here for the counterbalance. Right, focusing more on resistance training may do wonders for your bone density, but if we lose sight of your aerobic fitness in that process right. That piece of the system may get better in terms of bone density, but we want to make sure that the whole system is moving forward and I think that's where the integrated lens of clinicians, who are, you know, experienced and interested in this space, can really, really help people take things to the next level, further than they could their accountability and that was just something that really I'm like yeah, you know, that's so true.
Speaker 1:Like the relationships I have with the professionals I work with, so much of it is obviously knowledge and getting another set of eyes on it. It's like, hey, this is what I'm feeling, this is what I'm doing, this is what I'm training for. And then also having the accountability there is like, hey, how did you feel after that? You know, like that, so, uh, like in our, in our pre-conversation I was talking about, I have a 50 mile walk scheduled in May that I've been, you know, walking long miles and it's great to get my longevity docs involved with like, hey, cool, like here's a healing protocol that you can heal faster. It was like, hey, my joint, you know, my hip, is just a little off. It's like, okay, let's check that out, you know, and just see like, do you need some body work? Or you know, just pinging around some ideas there, and and I think that's yeah, that's a huge part of it, the accountability and then just to get like a second set of eyes and then really be able to work with someone on these goals, specific goals and whatever and like what you want to age into. Like you were saying earlier. It's like, what are these goals? Are they longevity, are they sports performance, all those things? And you're gonna guide people through these processes just a little bit differently, based on what those goals are.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean, obviously hopefully anyone listening to this will have someone in their corner that is really guiding them, and I don't recommend at all trying to do it on your own. You know, learn about it as much as you can. You know like we're talking about that. You know seeking the information but also getting someone on your side that can really implement it correctly and going there. So so one of the things I wanted to talk to you about today you know like I'm a marketer, I talk and deal with longevity clinics and longevity businesses specifically to help market their services. You're in the beginning stages of building Kuros out. I know you've got the telemedicine thing going on in New York and California and you have future aspirations to build a brick and mortar in California. What's that process been like so far for you? Like with hurdles or have you been finding it easy? What's the how's that?
Speaker 2:been going. Yeah, you know, I would say it has been a learning process for sure. You know, like I am, I came from a world where all I really had to focus on was being a clinician and being a teacher when I was in academics. And there's, you know, there's just new problems to learn and to solve. I will say I was definitely a little bit naive when I was first getting started. I kind of had a angels in the outfield mindset of like, if I build it, they will come.
Speaker 2:And I think I think over time it has really been a process of really getting clear on one what the value is that I can offer to who for whom I think I can be valuable, and then finding different, different ways to connect with those folks.
Speaker 2:Like the advice that you gave when we talked a few weeks ago has been immensely helpful just for some of the back end tweaks around website design and SEO and things like that.
Speaker 2:And then the other piece of it is really, you know, having the courage and the willingness to step out there and meet people and hopefully be able to get the word out, which has left me incredibly grateful for opportunities like this to get to talk with someone like you who's experienced in this space and has been so supportive and encouraging. Talk with someone like you who's experienced in this space and has been so supportive and encouraging, so yeah, I would say it has been both challenging but so enlivening every step of the way, because the new relationships that I've gotten to build, I think, have really exceeded the expectations that I could have had, and it's always fun to get to connect with people on the way, whether it's patients who have reached out, thinking about joining the practice, or other clinicians or people who are just interested in this space. It's been such a dynamic community to get to step into.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so exciting. I mean I agree with her Like part of the reason I have chosen to specifically work with doctors and longevity practices and clinics, because it is such an exciting emerging field that's like a lot of people are so interested in and it's so desperately needed and I can imagine a lot of your excitement is. Well, we know this. It's a shared excitement that I have as well. It's so much fun to bring this messaging to people Like I love sharing, you know, health stuff and getting my friends turn on to longevity medicine and medicine 3.0. It's just so much fun to watch it all evolve and people can become more aware of it. You know with, like, brian Johnson you know the good or the bad or whatever you think about him, but he's been crazy prolific with getting people knowing about longevity medicine.
Speaker 1:I was at a birthday party Friday and I don't know we're somehow talking about performance because there's a lot of cyclists there and I'm a big cyclist, as you know, and you know talking with these people and you know talking about like hey, yeah, brian johnson, is that that annie? You know it's like everyone knows about that. So I think it's a really good thing to bring so much awareness around this. It's like, hey, there is an option to leave, live a lot healthier and a lot cleaner, longer. You know the quality of years. You know like people are just kind of tuning into this. It almost seems like old hat for me because I'm like man, I've known about this forever.
Speaker 1:Of course, you can live a lot longer and a lot healthier, but it's really cool to come across people that just are tuning into it and you're like whoa, this is so cool. You know it's a really neat point of time to be involved in this industry with you. What types of patients are you most hoping to reach with your practice? In particular, you mentioned a little bit of athletics, a little bit of you know aging into, you know meeting people where they're at. Is there types of patients that you would like to work with most, or or how is that? You know who are those people that you want to reach out to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I will say I really consider myself a generalist through and through, Like that is the physician identity that I carry a general internal medicine practitioner. I certainly gravitate towards individuals who are really invested in their health and in their athletic performance, however they define that in their athletic performance. However they define that, whether that's someone who says I want to be PRing a marathon, or someone who says, you know, I have a big hike coming up next summer with my kids and my grandkids and I want to be able to, you know, be leading the pack on the trails in Yosemite or the trail somewhere else right, people who have the desire to be active participants in life in whatever shape or form.
Speaker 2:I think that's something that really resonates with me on a personal level and I think it draws on the skill sets that I have in these different areas. And there's the strength and conditioning, fitness and nutrition coaching and then also high level internal medicine that I was able to learn and train and practice at UCSF. And so people who want to take that sort of next level approach, not just to sort of optimizing the biomarkers and the variables, but again do that in service to participating in life in a way that's going to give them meaning. And then another aspect of it that is really important to me is the mental and the emotional health piece of it. I think that this is such a key component, especially as individuals age into their 60s and 70s.
Speaker 2:We know that social isolation, we know that loneliness can be such a catalyst towards age-related decline, and I think about how much there's an opportunity for that engagement in life in various forms of activity, whether that's sport or leisure activity, but just being out there and again able to participate in life can be such a boon to the mental and the emotional health, and also when disease comes up or when problems come up, it takes a toll on our body and also on our minds and on our hearts, and so that is a real sort of thread that I try to weave through my practice as well is, yes, we want to be performing and achieving well, but we want to do that with, hopefully, a heart that feels full and with relationships around us that support that, and so people who are interested in that approach are looking for a primary care physician who takes that perspective on things. Yeah, I would love to get a chance to talk with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it. Component of it is such a huge part of a longevity and healthy life where I think a lot of times it's easily overlooked because you're like, oh, the supplements, my workout regimen, my sleep and et cetera, et cetera, while often overlooking the social, mental health part of it. I just watched a documentary on blue zones and you know, like all these things, and it talked about like, okay, what do they all have in common? You know it talked about diet and whatever, but the one thing that was definitely a consistent common thread was the social aspect of it. You know you have a social, you know, like just a support system all the way around. You know, and that can be family, that can be people in your community, friends you know to do that with, and that was just such an important part.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's nice to hear you talk about that too. So I know we're winding up on time here, so I want to know how people can get ahold of you. What's some of the best ways to get ahold of you if they're interested in finding out more of what you do, especially if someone lives in California or New York, because that's the two states that you're currently okay to work with right, yes, exactly, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:So my website is kurosmedicalcom K-U-R-O-S medicalcom. There's a contact form on there. People can also email me directly. My email through the website is jackatkurosmedicalcom. I also have a sub stack at, as you mentioned, called the Kuros Corner that people are welcome to subscribe to. It is free. Articles I post there a couple times a month, both kind of a mixture of writings about the practice of medicine as well as some disease specific aspects of it. But those two areas my sub stack and my website are probably the best ways to be in touch again through the contact form or a direct. A direct.
Speaker 1:Perfect, Awesome. Well, Jack, thanks for spending some time with me today and talking about Kyrgios and your approach to medicine 3.0. It's a it's always a pleasure to talk to you. I'm sure we'll connect again soon enough. I think you're going to be in Austin here in a month or two, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, awesome. Well, looking forward to meeting you, uh with you, uh, meeting up with you then too, but otherwise, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2:Oh, brent, thank you, this was a blast. I always appreciate the chance to get to talk and, yeah, yeah, I'll see you in a couple of months, in May. All right, cheers.
Speaker 1:Thank you. This is the longevity loop podcast. Longevity Loop Podcast.
