DNA-Based Nutrition That Actually Guides Your Choices

You can do everything “right” and still feel like your supplement routine is a pile of guesses. That’s the problem I wanted to solve with Kim Ressler, founder of SNP Nutrigenomics. We get practical about personalized nutrition and why DNA-based guidance can be the difference between a clean, repeatable routine and vitamin roulette that drains your wallet and your attention.

Kim explains nutrigenomics in plain English: not using genetics to scare you with rare-disease predictions, but using actionable SNPs to guide nutrients your body may need in specific forms and doses. We dig into real examples like vitamin D receptor variants, methylation support, inflammation and cardiovascular health markers, plus why megadosing “because someone on TikTok said so” can push labs out of range. If you love data, we talk about how to validate changes with before-and-after blood work, what a realistic timeline looks like (think one red blood cell cycle), and why some benefits show up in wearables like sleep and recovery before they show up on a lab panel.

We also cover the human side: Kim’s 11-year health search, why small lifestyle edits beat all-or-nothing overhauls, and what to ask about DNA privacy before you ever swab your cheek. Personalized nutrition is becoming the gold standard in preventive care, and the best part is it can make longevity simpler, not more complicated.

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Transcript

The Hidden Build-Up To Disease

SPEAKER_00 0:00

You're 50 years old and you suddenly had a heart attack. That problem with that heart didn't just start. There were symptoms along the way. Like you say, you track blood work. There's a lot of components that go into that, but we have to be able to bring this to consumers to easily understand, easily help them understand their own strengths and weaknesses. So they're in charge of their health. But we've got to give them the right tools so that and the right information that they can understand it. You don't have to be a geneticist. I mean, to understand the simplicity of what we're doing, you just have to implement certain things in life. And to understand what you've got to do simply and easily is what creates that health fan aspect.

Why Personalized Nutrition Matters

One Custom Formula Versus 40 Bottles

What Nutrigenomics Means In Plain English

SPEAKER_01 0:41

This is the Longevity Loop Podcast, and I'm your host, Brent Wallace. In every episode, I bring you the leading voices in longevity, plus my own insights, to put the world's best strategies directly into your hands, making elite longevity strategies accessible to everyone, regardless of your background. So let's jump into the loop starting right now. All right, welcome to the Longevity Loop podcast. Today we're talking about personalized nutrition, which, you know, obviously our whole theme here is longevity nutrition and getting the best you can out of uh the life we're given. Um and so with nutrigenomics and really and we'll get into this, but it's it's really cool because guesswork is one of the veins of my existence with longevity. And there's so much stuff that's guessing, whether you're playing with you know substances or whatever that are just things that I think they're working, and and my blood tests show they're working, but it's still a lot of guessing, right? And so today we're gonna really talk about taking the guessing out of nutrition and nutrigenomics and really stop guessing your way through your supplement stacks. So, just a really quick disclaimer before we totally jump in. I'm not a doctor. This is not medical advice. This is a conversation between two professionals, two friends, and it's just for education, entertainment, and hopefully it'll give you some ideas. But any ideas that you might have from this podcast, make sure to clear it with your doc. It's a qualified practitioner in your world, it is super important to talk to and really let them know what you're doing, just because safety is the number one thing, and we really value your safety. So, with that said, taking all that off the table, we're gonna be talking about personalized nutrition and health optimization, and it's not diagnosing, curing, or treating any disease. So, just a little bit of back history. What got me really curious about this conversation we're about to have, it's really simple. I've been using a custom SNP formulation for the last few months, and well, four months to be exact, and I'm just about to go in my fifth month, and it's dramatically simplified my routine, which is probably the coolest thing. I mean, other than the health benefits that I'll just get into in just a second here, but just having like one can of vitamins to go to instead of I don't know, I probably had 30 or 40 bottles that I kind of pushed to the side since starting this. So that was cool, saving just time, if nothing else. And then um, I've been feeling really great. And so I just had a blood test that I was waiting to take, and I had improved blood markers um in a few key areas I've been working on for years, let's say. Um, but again, going back to the thing, this is an N of one study. This is me, how it affected me. But I think that, you know, the other people would, I mean, I'm imagining they would also get the results. And uh Kim Ressler, who's on the podcast today, who is my guest, um, you know, we'll will clearly get into that. So, how should smart people think about genes, nutrition, and personalization without getting lost in the hype? And there's a lot of hype around supplements, right? So, Kim, with that said, welcome.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Hey, thank you, Brent. It's so great to be here. And I love to hear your story and your improvements because we do see that when we are going to the root, the root of an individual. So, boy, that was a big question though. Can you read can you read can you repeat it?

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Take it bite by bite size. We can dive into like what my experience was, but you know, like just really more than anything, just starting out with the high level, like what problem are you trying to solve that the average supplement, you know, aisle or online place just completely fails.

The Case For Test Don’t Guess

SPEAKER_00 4:44

Yeah, no, I think that is a great place is to start. In general, when you even go to the store or you go and you buy a$30 or$40 blender, you get an owner's manual, right? You get an owner's manual and you know how to use it. When we are born, we don't have an owner's manual. We don't understand um that even though you and I are 99% alike, how we age um and are we're not just what we eat, we're what we absorb and utilize, and that diff each of us are different. And so, yes, we have the philosophy of test, don't guess, um, understanding your genetic component of what your body can actually do, and keeping it simple. And that's, I mean, keeping it simple and applicable to you, that you can actually implement these small shifts and changes easily. So, um, I mean, I I know that there was a lot of questions in one, but ultimately, genetics with what SNP Nutrigenomics does is it's not about giving you polygenic risk scores and telling you propensity to develop diseases. Um, neutrogenomics comes in to tell you, hey, there's these actionable genes that we can do something about, whether they're related to mood, cognitive function, brain, inflammation, immune resilience, et cetera, that we can give very specific key nutrients to optimize when we don't have the right, we might not the right, we don't have the optimal variant, in other words. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's actually when we first were talking, I believe I was getting an IV drip and you were sitting on a P EMF table. Yeah. And uh this was at uh the Hellspan uh event in LA that uh I don't know Elias' last name, but anyway, great event. So for anyone looking for longevity events, that's one of the best ones. Great excuse to come to LA. Um, but but yeah, like that totally makes sense. You know, like you were telling me, sharing with me that, you know, just even just the different versions of a B vitamin, you know, we were talking, you know, just shortly about like methylation of vitamins and stuff, and you're showing me that it's actually that is good for some people, then it doesn't really matter because other people have to actually absorb the other variant more. And you know, and that was kind of the start of our conversation, at least from what I recall.

Kim’s Health Journey And Breakthrough

SPEAKER_00 7:10

No, yeah, absolutely. We're all different, and we there's so much noise and so much hype and so much dart throwing out there trying to figure out what's gonna work. Let's start with your body. Let's see, let's I I'm not like I said, let's see what you need in the formats you need it with the right cofactors so we can stop this madness, absolute madness of, oh, Tom told me this. I saw a TikTok on this. I I mean, you know, and then suddenly you're looking at, like you said, 20, 30 bottles. That's absolute fatigue, um, costly. And do you actually need them? Interesting that you say that. I was just on with a provider um a couple days ago, and she had been overdosing um or mega dosing, I wouldn't say overdosing, mega dosing um uh a product that is is highly, you know, it's it's a longevity product. And she did blood work recently, and she sees it is like so out of range, like it's way too much for her body. So we could we can cause toxicity as well and um and create the opposite effect when we're trying to throw things at, I mean, when we don't need to be.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

So yeah, I mean, it it it begs the question here is like why are there so many smart health conscious people out there that just we're we're still guessing when it comes to supplements, right? I mean, you you do, it's like it it's funny. I have like an aunt that calls me and she's like, I heard on you know, CNN that fish oil is good to take, you know, and and and I feel like that's still even like those of us who are even very educated in the subject of health and you know diets and longevity and all the whole thing, it's still like, oh, Brian Johnson takes, you know, like sulfurethane, let's let's let's go, you know, and all these things that you end up, you know, really guessing on. And, you know, and so why do you think that is that people are just guessing? Is it just that they don't know that a product like yours exists, or is it something else?

From Personal Fix To Healthcare Shift

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Like, I I think that's a big part of it, but I think we are truly as a society, we are so trained to pill for an ill, right? So you've got a headache, you take an advil, it gets rid of it, or whatever you take for it, right? That's what we're trained for. We we've got this, and I see my husband, even though I work in this in this arena, I see him every once in a while. He's like, oh, this is supposed to be good for this. I mean, and he'll ask me that. We've got to start, we and we have to move with personalization. We have to move to the individual. And we know, and where this gets complicated and confusing, there's a lot of great DNA testing companies out there, right? And they'll tell you, if you've got this gene, do this. But then you look at the next gene and it says, well, if you have this gene, don't do what it's said to do on the last gene. And then so it's complicated, it's confusing, it's it's it's overwhelming. And the cost to decode all of this can become overwhelming. It's a big reason why I started SNP Nutrigenomics is to simply be able to use science, evident, you know, actual science to tell me based on these genetic variants, what has been proven, whether it's plant-based nutrition or, you know, vitamins, minerals, micronutrients in the right format, in the right dose, with the right cofactors, that I can put it all together for an individual simply and easily, as far as a foundational product. But I think that's I think that is, and that's not a shame because uh to anybody uh about the pill for an ill, because truly, Brent, if you woke up with a problem tomorrow and you wanted it fixed, we want it fixed now. But some, some, it's just like health. We have to look at our health as um a marathon, not a sprint. It's not an event. And I saw a recent post that was talking about you, you're 50 years old, you suddenly have a heart had a heart attack. That that problem with that heart didn't just start. There were symptoms along the way. Like you say, you you track blood work. There's a lot of components um that go into that, but we have to bring be able to bring this to consumers to easily understand, easily help them understand their own strengths and weaknesses so that they can become they're in charge of their health. But we've got to give them the right tools so that and the right information that they can understand it. Because I mean, you you don't have to be a geneticist, I mean, to understand the simplicity of what we're doing. Um you just have to implement certain things in life and to understand what you've got to do simply and easily is what creates that that that health span aspect, if that makes sense.

Longevity Buckets Genes Influence

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Yeah, yeah, it does. I mean, uh the one thing that comes to mind is like when people hear DNA based nutrition, right? And I can imagine people m immediately misunderstand what it is, right? Because it's it is something that's fairly complex, or sounds complex at least. It is. Um and it is complex on uh obviously a certain level, but also that's also the beauty of it is that it kind of takes away questions, I would say, um, because it is DNA-based. Um, so one question, like let's just bring it back a notch, maybe. What does neutrogenomics actually mean, just in like plain English for because even someone like me who reads a lot of literature, sometimes, I mean, I understand what it is, but what how would you explain it?

Genes Load The Gun Lifestyle Fires

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Okay, so neutrogenomics is the study of understanding your genetics and the exact foods or nutrition that when you have genetic variances or weaknesses or mutations, um, that so it's the study of that food based on those variants that can ultimately um offset or fill in the gap. Um, in other words, when you've got a variant on a gene and maybe so give it an example, a vitamin D receptor. So we some of us um uh our vitamin D impacts over 6,000 biochemical pathways in the body, right? Uh low vitamin D is related to all-cause mortality, right? So, next, if you have vitamin D receptor markers on if you've got genetic variants on there, making it your body absorbs it differently. It it can't take it from the sun and turn it into what it needs, and then the body can't it it walks through this whole process, right? Of and being able to do, I was I've got those markers. Um, I'm that person, and a lot of people are, that I have to supplement with vitamin D at a very specific level to keep my numbers in a range, in a in a um, a range uh for me that is is good, right? Like everybody work with your provider on what that range is because it might be different from one doctor to the next. But and when when that when I get that vitamin D and I keep it at that level, but what do what do I see? And I know I'm starting to span off on this, but knowing my genetic markers and applying the vitamin D, my immune resilience is better, my mood is better, my, you know, it on and on and on. So does that make sense what nutrigenomics is? It's literally the study of nutrition based on your own genetics.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Yep, so everything's specific. And actually that was one thing too that I stopped, you know, just taking back a step to what I've been taking from what you've been providing, is my vitamin D levels have stayed exactly the same, even though I stopped taking the whatever, 10,000 IUs or 5,000 IUs a day. And I attribute that to likely, is it just getting absorbed better through just the different pathways, and there's so many things that you know, you look at the nutrition label, like I'm sure I wish I had it here, but you know, it's just like boom, boom, boom, you know, it's like the most complex um or comprehensive multivitamin that you've ever seen, as far as you know, like just all the ingredients in it. And that's the really cool thing is that, you know, every value of the measured supplement is just for me, just for me, you know, and that's the one thing, you know, I'm sure we'll get into the whole, you know, how all this works, but you know, like from the first step that you get the DNA kit in the mail, do your swabs, send the DNA so you get your full genome back, and then all the recommendations and all the education that you give. I mean, it's it's just a really cool system overall, and then you get the vitamins on top of that. So it's it's it's not only just the vitamins, but you also get that whole preview into your genome, your um and and if you haven't had that done, it's a great place to start, you know. Like, I mean, what better place to start than to get that and then actually get something that is you know working for you on it instead of just like, hey, you should probably eat more fish or you have a predispensity for XYZ. You know, it's like it's just real nice to actually have something physical that you're getting from that genetics test that you know y'all sent out.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Well, it just it it just tells you where to focus too. We're all we're we're aging, right? And hey, are you more pre- are you an over-inflamer? Um, and things to pay attention to. And so then it's it's beyond that because nutrition's just one spoke in that wheel, right? I mean, it's that one spoke of, but let's let's simplify that. So yeah.

Small Habit Changes That Stick

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Yeah, I mean, I agree. So if someone is skeptical, skeptical about this, you know, it's like, why this sounds like just maybe it sounds too sci-fi. I don't know. What's the strongest case um about caring about this at all, right? Um, you know, because with longevity, as you and I both know, it's full of, you know, the quote unquote snake oil salesman, and you're you're a lot of times you're left, is this really gonna help? Or is this gonna hurt, or is it gonna be neutral? You know, like what is it? So if someone's coming into this conversation, listening to us speak now and skeptic skeptical about this, I mean, I think you've already laid out a pretty strong case, but what would what could you say in addition that would make this even a stronger case about someone caring about this?

How The SNP Process Works

SPEAKER_00 17:33

Well, if you are interested in how you're aging and you want to feel your best, et cetera, I mean you've got to start with you. I mean, that uh you I mean, you absolutely to understand, hey, these are my strengths, these are my weaknesses. And again, we don't we don't do full genome testing. We are interested in what we call nutrigenomics hits actionable genes. Okay, so just explain that. So I can't change, I can't take you and make you your five foot three and make you six foot four. That's we can't change that. But predisposed to um different heart, um, heart things and and you know, heart health is so important and inflammation, those types of things, we can see those are highly what we call highly actionable, and that neutrogenomic approach can ultimately offset or optimize the function of the gene. So, but I think the thing is, is if if you're feeling skeptical, everything we do is rooted in science. And it's based on lots of studies, over 650 studies of why we dose the way we do and based per gene. And we're very transparent to give it, give you all the science based on exactly why we do what we do. It's the the you know, it's the ongoing conversation that I'll have with somebody and they're like, Oh, you've got this ingredient in there, and I take, I take that ingredient, but I take 10 times the amount. Is that actually going to is that actually going to benefit me? If you have a specific condition and you're working with your provider on a specific thing, yeah, you may need to make a dose, but the body over time, it doesn't need to be mega, it the microdosing works. I'm just saying. And the body knows what to do with it and it's now given it. So if you are skeptical, I say look at it, check it out, it's coming. We want to, we ultimately want to be able to reduce all of these, you know, these routines, at least foundationally. Let's cover it body's per uh and individual's body at a foundational level. And then if you need to do a couple of other things, yeah, I mean, try it before and after blood work, just kind of like what you did, because you do your blood work every four months, um, and you can actually see the improvement. Uh nutri-eval, you know, those types of things as well can really show it. That's what the sketch and just how you feel. Um, I wear an aura ring, and a lot of people have told me, you know, um, I already thought I had my supplement routine dialed in, but you know, now that I've gotten on the customized, I'm watching my sleep scores. They just keep improving. Uh, you know, there's little shifts that you may not see in blood work, but yet you feel in in your life, and it's better recovery. It's better this, it's, you know, that type of thing. So I hope that answers on the skepticism. But I mean, we need to start with us. I do believe that we will become to the day and age that we will laugh about going into a pharmacy and just or into a, yeah, and just picking things off the shelf that we don't know why we're picking them.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

Right. Yeah. I mean, it's it's literally a game of vitamin roulette, it feels like, it's sometimes. Um, and uh yeah, you just touched on something, you know, just a few minutes back, but you know, this is a marathon, not a sprint. And so it's not necessarily well, well, like we said, it's it's not a cure for anything. This is giving you long-term nutritional support based on what your individual is. And so that's just, you know, and and that's what it is. You know, it's like if you're looking for, you know, miracle results. And and, you know, like I said at the outset, like I had some improved biomarkers of the four months, and then as I continue, I expect the other things can continue to normalize out. Um, I have really good blood work in general, but you know, there's always things that you can always optimize and tweak. And that's the thing that you know I'll be continuing to look at during my next blood test, um, is is figure in in another four months is like to say, okay, these things are leveling out, or this number is continuing to go down, or you know, and those things. And that's real the real proof there that you have to have the you know, the blood work or something to show that it's like, okay, here's a before and here's an after shot. It and as you know, I came into it before I was taking that, is like, okay, this is day one. That after my previous blood test, and then I started on just the day I got that blood test. Um, I got that blood test, and then you know, we had it, and then it went four months, and then I got retested, and then that's when I got my results that were you know very positive.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Right, right. Sorry about that.

DNA Privacy And Actionable Results

SPEAKER_01 22:23

All good, all good. I mean, I'd I I I feel like sometimes I put my phone on silent and focus mode, and it just still rings, and you're like, what is going on?

SPEAKER_00 22:33

And I had I had it on silent. I apologize.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Yeah, no, all good. So, okay, so let's get back into this. This that was kind of the macro case that you laid out. Now, I would like to know about why and how you've got so obsessed with this. You know, this is really um something that you had your own health journey, um, from what I remember. What was happening in your health that made you start really questioning this, you know, guess the guessing game of the normal wellness playbook that we all are f so familiar with?

Realistic Timelines And What Improves

Where Personalized Care Goes Next

SPEAKER_00 23:06

So I was, or I am, I'm a mom to uh four kids, right? And I um I was pregnant with my last daughter, and they saw something interesting in my blood work, and off I went to a specialist and et cetera. But it was after the delivery, it was symptom by symptom started appearing, and nobody could tell me what was going on. So, like so many people, and health is really, I mean, it's it's personal. And um, you know, cover on the outside, make it look like I feel great, but inside I feel like I'm dying and not dying, but you know, not I don't feel well. I and I never felt well. And it started, it was the terrible sleep, and I couldn't sleep through the night, and waking up in the middle of the night, and the and the total constant brain spin, and then the chronic fatigue and the symptoms kept compounding. I was looking for answers. I was looking for answers for 11 years. And um, and so if you can think about this, by it was like year by year a new symptom. Then it would then we went to the uh the uh constant bloating and the chronic constipation. And um, I mean, I I can keep going, right? I can then at the in early 40s, the perimenopause. I'm like, seriously? Hot flashes and night sweats out of control. And I'm like, and and they're going, oh, you need bioidenticals. And you know, I mean, everybody had their thing, but nobody was starting with me and nobody was listening to me. At one point, I was on almost$400 a month in adrenal fatigue supplements. I had a powder, a liquid, and pills, and I was going, and I mean, you name it, I was seeing this professional, that professional. I was dope doing PEMF five days a week. I I mean, I was going in and doing all these treatments. I wanted, I mean, I wanted to feel good. And um, I didn't want to just have this outside layer. I wanted to feel good. And I was like, this cannot, it was it was like the light switches kept turning off and then the constant burning everywhere in my body. I was just like, what is going on? This can't be. So I understood. I originally learned about um neutrogenomics through a very dear friend. Um, her son had been diagnosed with ADHD, and she said, I think it's a gene. And um I watched her spend$10,000 in nine months mapping the methylation pathway. And they literally were addressing one gene. And um my husband and I were getting ready to start that whole process. It's time consuming, it's expensive. And a couple days later, again, Kim, I did not create the technology that I work with. This technology, I feel, was gifted to me to take to the world. And um, where we could easily and simply see all of the your these actionable genes, these heavy-hitting ones that impact us in aging and adult onset disease, and we could simply custom formulate for them. And I was like, this is just amazing. I have to try this. And as at first, I thought it was a placebo effect when I first got on the product because it was, you know, the better energy, the better sleep, the better digestion. It was the, I mean, and slowly, one by one by one, and I really started hardcore tracking blood work and you name every kind of test. And that's how I started working with this. And that's how I dove in. But um, unbeknownst to me, I didn't even find out till a couple of years later. I do have an autoimmune. I keep it sleeping. Um, I'm pharmaceutical free and uh 54 years old. I've made it through menopause just fine. And I haven't had any of those. I'm just telling you, all of this is everything is interconnected. And um, when you start to look at my blood work now and see where I'm at, and and it's not to say that everything's always perfect. I had a mold exposure uh a few months ago, and that drove a couple of my numbers up. And that's how we kind of found that we had mold and then started the testing and everything else, right? So, but understanding my own genetics where my baseline should be, and as I age, it just gives, it puts me in the driver's seat, right? So, but that's I just felt and I do feel my technology has been around a long time. It was for your rich and your famous and your elites, and they were doing all this mapping and then these complex supplement routines. I had a girlfriend that was on over 70 supplements a day, some before breakfast, some with, some after. Regardless, some people may have a very extreme condition and you have to do some different things. I'm not gonna be your specific protocol for one thing or the next, but I'm coming in to hit the foundation. When we go to that DNA level and have healthier cells, it leads to healthier tissues, which lead to healthier organs. It's overall health. So that's um, that's what's so powerful about what we're doing is we're just removing all of that. We're removing that because we're starting with you.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

So, what was that transition like? So you had this light bulb moment that your friend, you know, showed you this technology. What was that transition like where you chose to create a company and stop just focusing on your personal health rabbit hole, you know, so to speak? You know, it's like you're like, okay, I need like the light bulb moment of I need to bring this to the masses.

Key Takeaways Coupon And Farewell

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Well, I worked with I ended up working with the technology to a different capacity to begin with, uh, in a different capacity. But what I started doing is I started taking the technology and the science, and I would take it to every single doctor that I know. And it would say, Hey, you're a cardiologist, would you look at this? And would you, would you um tell me, um, is this what you would do if somebody was struggling in this area, this area, this area? And it just kept coming back. Oh, that's exactly what I would do. Da-da-da-da-da. And I was just like, wow. Um, and then I started talking to geneticists that would look at it, that actually did this genetic mapping, and they would help um design somebody's supplement routine. And they would literally look at me and they'd say, Wow, that is the most complex formula I've ever seen. Yeah. I and I I had one geneticist one time look at me and she said, I don't think you understand what you have your hands on. And I said, What do you mean? And I said, I think I do. And she says, No, she goes, I really believe that what you have your hands on could literally shift the trajectory of healthcare. And she said, I think you're at least 95% correct. And she said, but and it's not that you're incorrect, but that other 5% is are those people that are gonna need extra support or they're gonna need that extra this or that. And I was like, So in 2022, I launched SNP. Yeah, um, we just we keep science progresses, we're gonna progress. We just want to keep uh moving the needle, making this uh making people aware that this is out there to and and educating them to be in their own, their own driver's seat. They, I think so many people feel like they're doctors in charge of their health. And and in reality, I'd like to educate people that you are in the driver's seat um to to push that forward. But we've got to educate you on your strengths and weaknesses so that so that it's simple and easy for you to make the choices that you make.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

100%. I mean, I feel like there is a shift. And again, I'm a little probably blinded by it because I'm so enrapped in the industry, you know, with like my longevity clinic marketing business that I'm working with longevity clinics all the time. And so I think sometimes I'm I'm like, wow, this is like a revolution that everyone's getting turned on to this, you know, but it's still a fairly small part of the population. But this is so great that, you know, like as people get turned on to this, and like you said, like I feel that that's still the overall sentiment that most people feel is like their doctor is in control of their health outcomes, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's completely flipped. Like, you know, when you see, you know, we've heard this so many times, but you you know, the average doctor, your normal, you know, primary care physician, knows less about nutrition than I I forget whatever the stat is, but you know, it's alarmingly low, and that's the and that's the people that we're putting all this trust into, you know, and well-deserved in some arenas, but in other, you know, it's like it's really up to us to really take this on as ourselves. And I think that's with the growth of longevity doctors and even functional health providers and even naturopaths that you know that have been around for the so long, it's just the people that are really looking for an alternate way to care for self because they're realizing they're not really getting that from their PCP.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

So when we look at this genetics piece through a longevity lens, what would be the main buckets that someone should understand?

SPEAKER_00 32:07

When you say when we look at it from a longevity, well, I mean, are you mean you mean in specific areas? I mean, maybe reframe the question.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Yeah, so like the main areas that we want. I mean, I consider, you know, and we touch on this, like sleep is is is a main bucket. Obviously, nutrition, exercise, emotional health. I would say those are probably the four main buckets. So we're looking at leg uh genetics. Obviously, that's a component of longevity, right? Longevity, we have to know a lot about our genetics, and it's given us so many tools such as yours to look at. So the main buckets that people should really be understanding to look after, uh I mean, and I think you've already answered this, but basically what you're doing, it it's essentially I mean, two of the main buckets for sure, right? I mean, like I would say the sleep component, because it's helping the sleep and it's also helping with the nutrition, and it's supporting physical output. Um, and then also likely emotional and mental support as well, right? Because, you know, like you know, the human body is an orchestra of, you know, different things going on. And once one thing is getting really covered well, then it's like, okay, these other things are also going to be supported through this, you know, like, you know, skin and eyesight and you know, just show me things.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Yeah, I know where you're going. Okay, yes. So that's with so many, everybody's different, right? And everybody's dealing with different things. Um the I think that we it when you talk about buckets, we talk about you said mood. Um, and mood is highly related to some of these genes. Cognitive function, detox, inflammation, body mass index. I mean, your your weight even. Um, there's so many things. But yeah, as you said, nutrition's one spoke, right? It's one spoke, but we need to make sure that it's playing with all the other things. Are you getting the good clean water, the fresh air, um, that is non-polluted? I mean, these are all the little spokes. And that's one thing about genetics that I can see, okay, you are that let's go to uh situation. You see a 103-year-old lady or a hundred-year-old woman sitting on a park bench smoking a cigarette, right? And she doesn't have a problem. But the lady that's sitting next to her just smells that cigarette smoke and or it breathes it like from in passing, and it literally she develops a sinus infection. Why? Those are genetics. One person's propensities versus another one, and understanding that and how your body deals with it. So it it's kind of all of it, if that makes sense. But yeah, as you said, everything works in an orchestra. So if you're feeling better, if you're sleeping better, your body's getting better recovery. You're easy, it's easier to lose weight. Um, it's you've got more energy during the day. I mean, it they all go everything just goes hand in hand and hand in hand.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Yeah, it's so funny. Like you mentioned that I I I forget the some really old school guy that smoked and you lived to like 101 and he's like, well, I'm gonna go ahead and just drink and whatever, because you know, this guy did it, and you're like, This is absolutely the wrong way to look at that, you know, just because they did it, they just had a specific genetic predisposition, you know, predisposition to like, okay, like they can smoke cigars their whole life and not affect them. Or if if they didn't smoke, maybe they live to, you know, I mean, who know, who knows what?

SPEAKER_00 35:42

Right. Well, well, it's how their body literally takes those epoxides and is either able to get rid of them, where that what next person just smelling, smelling and breathing in that cigarette smoke, or forest fire, sorry. We'll go to forest fire versus cigarette smoking. But one person is, I mean, not that it it it deeply, it could uh that fire in a community could deeply impact anybody, but where one person might not have the reaction that the next one does, that's where genetics come in. And tell us how that gene function and and is it does it have that weakness that it needs that support? So, but it it starts lining up with pretty much all systems of the body uh all the way through. So that's how it really impacts longevity. I mean, heart health is still the number one killer, and there's a lot of genes that impact heart health and inflammation and you know, high homocysteine levels and your propensities, and we can we can see that. Um they say that coronary artery disease is 50% genetic and 50% lifestyle. Okay, well, if we know that and we can make some small shifts and edits because we know 70, some odd, 80% of the population takes supplementation, we can't get the nutrients that we need through our food anymore. But let's just let's just simplify it and let's offset and optimize because if that's the case, they say that if you know you have these variants and you come in to optimize younger, just like you didn't get that heart attack at 50. That heart attack started building younger, right? That it was coming up to building that. We can live uh they say we can live up to 20 years longer healthier, healthier, and optim, you know, something worth living, not sit and not being able to do anything, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

Oh yeah, I mean, I I feel like that's just encapsulating the health span thing, right? I mean, there's there's so many I had a podcast a couple uh a podcast guest a couple episodes ago, and what she talked about was um, you know, kind of the four different stages of the longevity people, you know. You know, the people that want to, you know, upload their consciousness to the computer, the cloud, you know, and then kind of don't down at the bottom, there's you know, someone who I would consider being is that, yeah, I I mean I I wouldn't mind living longer, but what I'm trying to optimize now is my health span, right? I want to be healthy as long as I can. And, you know, if I die at 100 or 80 or whatever, so be it. But I don't want those last years of life to be anything that I'm gonna suffer through. Like I still want to be, you know, riding bikes with my son and and and swimming and surfing and doing all the things I love to do. And so really like focusing, like you said, on that uh the you know, I would I would say that's health span that you just talked about, you know, it's like living healthier years, not necessarily longer years, because those longer years, you know, I mean, who knows what those are, but yeah, just like focusing on that. So the one thing that you also mentioned that brought something up is, you know, you've heard the expression the genes load the gun, but the lifestyle pulls the trigger. What do you think that that saying gets right and what does it miss?

SPEAKER_00 38:56

No, I think that saying is so right. I mean, um uh it is your lifestyle. And like I said, nutrition is one c key component, right? So we know we know our genetic weaknesses and we give them the nutrition they need to optimize them. But after that, I mean, it it is, it is our lifestyle, and it is the small daily habits and it is the consistent daily habits that um, you know, hey, it it's just like the person that wants to go that says, hey, um, New Year's resolution, I'm gonna lose 30 pounds. And they want to eliminate absolutely everything from their diet and just do this hardcore clean diet. And I'm sorry, let's be real. We love food. Food brings us happiness.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Chocolate, especially.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Yeah, dark chocolate, organic dark chocolate. But so many people fail. And it's not to be sh you're not to be shamed for failing. It's that you're taught all or nothing. You're taught, oh, you've got to do no. So this is great that we're talking about this because this is kind of my journey this year. I started doing some things, and um, and it's it's more about talking about um incorporating small little edits and changes where they become habits in your lifestyle. So December 25th is the last day I had a drop of alcohol. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Okay. So that was week one. That wasn't a problem at all. You know, I wasn't going, oh, I need that. Week two, um, I started focusing on removing any of the processed foods that that I might go to grab on occasion, not all the time, but as a snack. You know, I hey, let's let's really get away from some of this. Week three was let's pull out dairy as a snack because that was something I was doing all the time, right? And it's not that I'm not gonna allow myself to have it. I love cheese, but let's just let's stop the habit of going to grab three cheese slices instead. Let's replace it with something else. And and then week four, I started moving into it's time to, I really, you know, again, some habits take longer. They say 30 days to make a habit. I've been now, I'm coming up on 80 days. Um, I haven't made a lot of other edits and changes except for I started moving in. Um, I need to move my body more. And so I'm I'm literally tracking my body movement now. Like, if that makes sense. It's small little steps to create habits that will bring me better health outcomes. Does that make sense? And I think I I and anybody like that's why I tell people you you suddenly want this big change. Doesn't work that way. Make one little change. Oh, watch the amount of water you're drinking. Hey, you don't drink enough water, your body needs the water, whatever. I mean, little things make big, big, big impact if they're done consistently.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Yeah. Oh, I mean, 100%. Like I remember, you know, just I mean, everything that you just said was like, oh, that's cool. I should stop eating as much dairy because I love my cottage cheese, you know, it's like like the protein snack, and I'm like, let's go. Um, but the drinking thing, I mean, like you said, all those things that you mentioned, you know, the activity, um, you know, less processed food, and especially the drinking. I stopped drinking on the first, and usually I try to do a month to three months. Uh, this time around I'm doing three months, but I think I'm just gonna keep on coasting because I just recently read this data about it takes six months for your brain to completely recover from the no-alcohol thing, you know, and and maybe it's different in different people, right? But I was just like, that's a pretty interesting thing. And then after that, I read another article that talked about the people that say, Yeah, well, I only drink on the weekends. And what they were talking about in their research is that the weekend thing is just long enough to kind of let your body reset just to like throw it into chaos again, you know. And I'm like, oh man, that's that's true. You know, the hardest thing for me with drinking personally was like that first week of like, oh, I just want something like kind of, you know, I I love light beer, you know, and especially, you know, living in Texas and now living in Arizona, you know, nothing tastes quite as good as you know, a cold, you know, sparkly beverage. And so always like reaching for those things, but you know, luckily there's such great non-alcoholic options out there now. But then kind of getting over that hump, and then and again, it's so hard to really put the data, you know, when you're changing so many things, you know, it's like, but overall, like at the end of the day, is like my blood work shows that it's great. My, you know, like I have the whoop and the Apple Watch that both give me great data, all that stuff is is improving and getting better. And so it's like, you know, again, it just all these things support each other, and then I feel like that just builds momentum, and it's like a big Snowball effect that the more you add to that, you're just gonna feel like a rock star.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

It's just small, but it's small little steps. I didn't go on a drastic diet. I'm not saying I cannot not eat cheese. I'm gonna eat cheese. It's like one of my favorite things in the world. I my whole point of bringing that up is I was just cutting. I'm not going to it every day as that snack, you know, more of it, more of it. Now it's not to say if I am gonna have a a burger or a cheeseburger, I'll still have a cheeseburger. I just am not, I'm I'm I'm I'm just being aware is what I'm am. And small little shifts so that I make that, oh, I'll pick up a piece of fruit or have another type of a protein snack, um, you know, in lieu of that cheese, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh I don't know if you've read any of those books like BJ Fogg's uh Tiny Habits or James Clear Atomic Habits, but you know, that that's you know, that's again rooted in the science, is like don't make these big changes because you can't stick to it. It's not sustainable, you know, just stick to that one thing. It's like, you know, it's like I have my water here, and the one thing that I started to add, I was doing greens drink forever, and I'm like, well, maybe I'm gonna quit that drink green drink because it's one that is expensive. And so, you know, now I just put a pinch of salt and a squeeze of lemon, and that's like my water, you know, so that's my upgraded water, and you know, that's I guess a habit, but you know, it it tastes great. I know it's good for me. It rehydrates me with the right things, gives me some vitamin C, you know, it's like all the things. So I've got to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

But see, you've you've made you've made that a habit, right? You've made it a habit. I mean, and so when you when you do that and you're doing it consistently, you're like, oh, that pinch of salt and that little bit of lemon. I same thing here. I mean, that's what I do. But that's become habit. So now we just stack another little habit, whether, hey, I uh, you know, I just got that notice. I need that, uh, I need to, I'm gonna take a break and and go walk for 15 minutes. Just for 15 minutes. Not I'm not going to go to the gym one time and think I'm gonna have these big muscles, right?

unknown 46:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

I mean, yeah, you know, it's the small steps that will lead to the bigger steps. And yeah, when you feel better, you do better, and it all just keeps compounding.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

So yeah, I mean, it's just it's just like stacking those things and and again, just kind of drawing it back to your product. It it's like your product is I feel like one of the things about supplements, and I know this is true with my wife and with a lot of friends, they forget to take them, or there's too many, or they don't know when to take what, where, you know, is this the morning thing? Should I take, you know, and then you hear these things online is like uh uh you know, don't take this in the morning because your cortisol levels, or don't take this at night because it's too, you know, like all the you know things you hear. And uh, you know, speaking about just the repeatable process is like just having one uh thing, which is the SNP neutrogenic, um, it's having that customizable thing, it's just like okay, it's easy. Yeah, yeah. The code's simple. Yeah, so I mean it's it's just so simple and easy. So like if you are trying to build a supplement stack or something like that, this is like one of the best ways, also just to make sure you're redoing it because it's just there's only one thing to take. And I think we briefly talked about that. I uh the only thing I added on top of this, I so I put all my other vitamins supplements away, and I just added a high EPA uh omega-3. That's the one thing I I still was doing the three grams of that a day um in in addition to that.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

And I think you said you were doing the um what's the just um so I my my my daily go-to stack, no matter what, is my customized. And I just started on Fatty 15 because I'm I'm I'm I wanna I uh had my blood work done in January, and I'm gonna consistently do take that um until my next blood work. And yeah, but that that's my stack. Yeah, yeah, those two, those two, it's two things.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah, yeah. I mean that it's incredibly simple. So as far as like follow-through and and creating a routine, I mean that's uh an extremely helpful uh way to do that. And it's also cost efficient, too. I mean, I was just like doing the quick math is like I was saving probably about 80 bucks a month. Um, it but you know, just kind of rough estimates there. Um, when I kind of looked through my whole vitamin buying history and was like, okay, this is about$80 a month I'm saving on all of this. So um, so walk me through the entire process here, you know, from the moment someone might hear this or just get curious somewhere else, what would happen next in this process when you know somebody actually receives um, you know, like in terms of insights, guidance, next steps, like where should they go? How should they get some help there with you know with if they're interested in working with SNP? Or you know, just or just like a supplement stack in general, you know. I mean, I think we've left out a pretty good argument not just to go like you know, like just blindly going and yeah, I've heard this is you know great, you know, because you know, you really do make it feel this process feel a lot more empowering instead of overwhelming. Um, and I think that's what you are going for. But you know, it was like if someone's curious about this, what what's the next steps here?

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Well, go to our website and check it out, uh SnipNutrition.com. Um, and if not, go to our YouTube, go to Snip Nutrigenomics on YouTube, um, and and listen to both consumers as well as providers that are using um um our testing in their clinics to learn, right? And um, I think this is one thing um people we get fixated on a very specific issue and we don't look it outside of, and that is one beautiful thing. SNP covers um and supports mood and supports immune and supports inflammation and supports methylation and heart health and uh you know all of these different areas. And you're going, wait, could that really be? Yes, it really is, but you're gonna have your weaknesses in it. So the next thing would be hey, you decide you're interested and you want to take that step, get your genetic test done. Totally HIPAA compliant. We're not here to sell your data. It's a simple at-home cheek swab. We do two cheek swabs. We're partnered with a level five lab, which means they're CLIA certified, CAP accredited. We're not looking to collect data, but it's a simple at-home cheek swab and you send it in within three weeks. Um, your results will be delivered um into a private password-protected portal, which you get access to right when you um uh uh register your your kit or you purchase one. And then um, I'm about education. Um and what you'll see in that portal is tons of um education. We do live education every month and learn more. There where bone health might be important to me right now, it's not really on your radar. There's all kinds of recordings about different different things and things that you may need to look at or ask from your provider. We want to guide. I'll give you what is very specific, and I'm sorry, and then I kind of go on tangents, but uh I we were working with a lady and she got on the customize and she's telling me she couldn't take it. Now she was having a problem with it. Well, she wasn't really transparent about everything else she was doing, but she had reached out to me and I said, Let's look at your reports. And we dove in and I can see all of these detox markers and at the end, and so I said, Let's get into the detox report and how how this could be impacting you in general. And by the time we got to the end of it, we have all these consider requesting these labs from your wellness provider. And we went through them and she goes, I've already done heavy metal testing and um I didn't have a problem with glyphosates, but mold. She goes, in 19 years, nobody's ever tested me for mold. So what we were able to do for her when I was working with her is she's she was like, That's nobody's ever said that. She went and she got mold testing, and guess what? That was her problem. I'm not gonna be her mold protocol, but you know what? Now she's on her healing journey because she understood her genetics, right? Um, and and she's doing that mold protocol with that provider. And she's going to get uh hopefully she's gonna get her life back into the way that she wants her life back. So um anyway, so the the it's a swab, simple at home, um, HIPAA compliant, password-protected portal. Um, after that, there's all kinds of videos to educate, join for education, and you want to try the product? Um, you'll see um your own. We are very transparent about all the science, your supplement fat panel and all the ingredients of exactly what's going to be in there. As you say, if you are somebody with a medical condition working um directly with a provider, um you need to be concerned. Share, share the ingredient list with a provider and say, what do you think? Um, as you said, a lot of PCPs um aren't really familiar with um uh nutrition. I just talked to a girl that just graduated with a degree in nutrition, and never once did they bring up genetics in anything. And I was like, wow. Um, because this is where we are going, is personalized. We live in the day and age. Wouldn't you rather something made for you? And and and what SNP is bringing is something made for you at a at a price that you can afford it, you can stay stick with it and stay on it and be compliant with it. And um, it's very high quality. So that's awesome. And and if if you are that person that you're really trying to get your a handle on certain things, do blood work beforehand and and start the product, and then do blood work like you did after. Whether it's um standard and common blood work, uh, are you tracking is it your A1C numbers? Is it your APO, is it at Apollipoprotein B? Is it your cholesterol? I mean, these are things that we get reported all the time by dr addressing genetics, better a better outcome on that blood work.

SPEAKER_01 54:23

Yeah. So this brings me to a question, you know, I'm sure a lot of us listening, and and you, I'm sure, remember the 23andMe debacle, right? Like everyone's sending in their DNA and like, oh my God, the company got sold and I don't know where my data is and trying to delete it. And there's like this whole mess, right? Like of like, what is going on with that? So how should someone think about privacy anytime DNA is involved? And what questions should they be asking before doing any genetic testing?

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Well, I mean, are they is it are they just collecting your data to sell it? Um we are we we are not doing that. Um, not only that, we're not doing full genome testing. I'm not, I'm not looking for a rare disease that we can't do anything about. Okay. And I did, I've tested probably with everybody out there, just you know, because I want to see what they deliver. And I got this, I I did one test and I'm sitting here and I get all of this information, and it says that you may have the propensity to have this rare disease. Well, why would I one want to scare myself about that? Two, what can I do about it? Nothing. And it's it's rare. So I'm gonna go back to with this. We're looking at this through the lens of actionable genes where science is proven, diet, nutrition, lifestyle, that epigenetic stuff, right? Um, can literally impact how um those genes uh respond and um how they function. So that's what we're looking at. And I I think that, yeah, you want, I don't want polygenic risk scores. I want to be told, I want a solution. I want a solution. That is, and again, there are a lot of great companies that give you polygenic risk scores on all of these different things, but then they start lining up you the this, like you said, 20, 30, 40 jars, a stacking all of this stuff. That's truly that's gonna be a day of the past pretty soon. I want people to have the money in their pocket so they can say, hey, there is another thing I really would like to do. And now that they're not spending$500 a month on supplements, they can go do it, right? Um, they can do those other things that because foundational health, I mean, I I'm foundational. I'm not going to be the end-all be-all. And there isn't one magic bullet. There's not the silver bullet. So, in looking at genetic companies, what can you do with the information that's provided to you? Can you easily, because there are some companies out there I've tested with as well. And I mean, it it'll it'll say you've got a variant and it'll say, what can you do about it? It'll say no, no, um, action, no action steps are whatever require it won't give me any recommendations. I want recommendations of how if this is an area that's of concern if for me, I want to know what what could I do to make it better? Simply. Simply.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

Yeah, which is great because I'm I'm glad you just addressed that because there's you know, setting expectations is is a huge thing, you know. It's like in like, you know, I was just gonna ask you, like, what should someone not expect? You know, like in other words, like where are you trying to set the realistic expectations from day one? And and we we we talked about that a little bit in the beginning, you know, it's like it's the marathon, not the sprint, and it's not something that will correct itself in month one, likely. I mean, that's why even you're encouraging me is like, you know, make sure to get four months in before you even try a test because you know it just takes a long time for the body to do that. So um I mean, I I I'm assuming that's the most reasonable expectation that you're trying to set from day one. Is there anything else that you're trying to get out there once people start taking this customized formula?

SPEAKER_00 58:12

Well, okay, so the reason I say four months is that's a red blood cell cycle, right? If you test your blood, you if you do blood work, um, that is if you uh you're ultimately, I mean, it's a snapshot of time. I know that there's some things that like A1C and the certain cholesterol numbers that may change and and fluctuate more within, but if that's what you're going to test, if you're gonna do the standard and common blood work, but then if you're gonna do it like a neutral eval, which is um the the uric acid test, right? The um, or not the uric acid, I'm sorry, the um organic acids test um to see uh the that might show a little bit earlier. Um, but yeah, I mean, ultimately, what can people expect if they get on the customized? Everybody's different. And I I mean, some people will say, is it possible that I felt I feel better energy? Yeah, your body might be getting B vitamins in the right format and you're you're feeling this great energy. And then they'll go, but I see green tea in there. Guess what? There's no caffeine in my product. Okay. Uh we've got green tea. We got that, we've got the green tea in there, but it's there's no traceable caffeine in it. So it's your body's getting the B vitamins. Where my husband, on the flip side, he has never, he doesn't quote unquote feel it. But what we what we track is his, we track his blood work, we track his um PSA numbers, his cholesterol numbers, and things like that. And on the product consistently, we see, we see the results there. So where one person may feel it, another one doesn't. Um, but there's so many things. What's important to you? This is about the individual. What are your are you it are you struggling with sleep? We hear it all the time. Improved sleep, um, and improved joint mobility, um, improved blood work um on multiple markers from inflammation to uh heart health markers, etc. So um digestion. And and gut health. It's so important. And everybody's like, well, you don't have probiotics in it. And I'm like, no, we we it's a totally different philosophy. We want to come in and grow the gut bacteria really healthy. So and and and at this point, I don't take probiotics daily. I don't I don't need them. Um, I don't feel that I need them. If I had to do a round of antibiotics, would I do them? Yes, but nobody should take the same probiotics. You understand there's a cycling of probiotics. So um it's a totally different philosophy, and we want to come in and support you at that cellular level so that those genes can be optimized.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Yeah. And just like with probiotics, like I've stopped taking probiotics a long time and really have more focused on a fermented foods, just to kind of get him in in that way, and then also focusing on the prebiotic and postbiotic fibers, you know, the you know, the substrate uh the prebiotics can can can grow in, you know, or the or not prebiotics, but the bacteria, right? The friendly bacteria, the bacteria we want. Um, and then actually the only thing that I take as far as a probiotic, and again, I'm just testing this, but I've been taking an oral probiotic that I just put in my cheek every night, and just like for for mouth um bacteria, um, that my dentist recommended. So I'm like, okay, I'll try try that out and just see, you know. So when I do my next dental checkup, you know, we'll kind of see like what my mouth bacteria uh biome looks like. But yeah, I mean it's it it's it's so much fun. Um so Kim, where do you see personalized nutrition? So this is the future. I'm convinced of it. Pretty sure you're convinced of it too. Where do you see this um really personalized approach to nutrition and all kinds of medicine as well, you know, really fitting into the next five years of preventative care and longevity care? Like, where do you see this going and the possibilities of it? And it could be a longer horizon, it could be a shorter time horizon. I just say, you know, five years, but where do you see this going and fitting into that whole, you know, subsector or sector of health?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Well, as I can tell everybody, and I I I feel I say this from a very deep place in my heart. We've got so many people now are stepping into the biohacking and they're trying this and they're trying that and they're doing this. I think first and foremost, we have to start with you, the individual. There's nobody else that's you, Brent. There's nobody else that's me, right? Um, I mean, and you you start to look at it and understand if if we can we address people individually instead of, you know, we we had twins that uh that um swabbed with us and their their formulas were different, right? Okay. Well um, because they had some different genetic markers. So my point is I I think that ultimately, where is it going? Uh this is science is gonna keep uh um going, um, and we are gonna continue to watch what uh and take the studies. Uh this this is the future, is personalization. We just need to keep it available and affordable for the masses to be able to afford this. And then we can shift, we can really, I really believe we can shift the trajectory with people and um with their health. And where do I see it going? It's gonna be it's gonna be in the mainstay one day. I mean, we are in the day and age. I mean, would you rather have a you know, a a coat or blazer that was made just for you because you know, you've got a little bit extra long arms, or would you rather you you you know what I'm saying? I mean, who doesn't want something personalized over um something off the shelf?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

Yeah, 100%. I mean, that's that you know, with the adding of the AI and being able to like do do all the calculations and and just yeah, it's an exciting time um and and I'm really looking forward to it. So, one last question here that I like to ask all my guests. What do you hope that people remember from our conversation a week from now? What like what's like the bottom line that's like, hey, this is the one thing, the one key point to keep in mind.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

I hope that people remember that crazy girl Kim was telling me that I'm in charge of my health and that I actually have a lot of power to do things about it if I want to. And um we we all have this, we the body is meant to heal. The body is an amazing thing. And given the raw, proper nutrients, the body can do amazing things. So I hope people understand that personalization is coming. Um, it's within reach, um, and it's here now. We're we're we're ahead of our time. It's the NIH says by 2030 it's gonna be the gold standard. We just happen to be here, we happen to be here sooner. It's available. We just need to make make it so that we recognize, we recognize you out there. We recognize that um where one person's dealing with one thing and the next, I recognize people as individuals. We're all so very uniquely different, um, which you you need to take pride in that. Genetics aren't a scary thing. It's uh, hey, yeah, these are this is what I can do about it. And if you are that person, that you should this is what you should look at. But that's what I hope people remember is um that personalization's here, it's it's uh easily accessible and it's easy to implement with the way that we do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Yeah, the f and the future is here.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:58

And the future is here. It is. It's it's here. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

So where can people learn more about you and follow your work? Order some uh vitamins that are personalized for them. And we also talked just right before we hit the record button here about a fifty dollar off uh spanner coupon. So I think uh that's correct, right? That they could put in uh a coupon code that's spanner S P A N N R for$50 off of their their first order, correct?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

Yes, yes. Uh the so they could go to the website, um, it's www.snip s n I p nutrition.com. Um and we do we whether it's the DNA test or you want to bundle it with the supplements, um, there's a starter plan or an optimal plan. Um, you could purchase any of. And if they use the spanner coupon, S-P-A-N-N-R, it'll give them$50 off their first order.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

Awesome. And I forget what I did. Did I do the optimum or the basics plan? I don't, or is that something new?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

Um one's just sometimes people just want to try it for a month. Um, again, one month is not going to do, but they just want to try it for a month. So we give that option too. So if they just want to get their kit and their first month of their supplements, they they can do that. Um, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:21

Because I did the recurring subscription, so that must be what that is. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

And let's let's talk about really quick. One thing I have to say, that subscription is we don't lock people in either. I want to go on the health journey with the people. So if they need to move it, we're we're totally like move it, edit it, get extra, whatever. That's we are this is the long journey with our clients.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

So yeah, yeah. I mean, uh that's one thing that's I mean, uh we travel so much, I feel like, and that's kind of my next thing. I I like I want to order an extra so I'm a month ahead um instead of a month behind because actually sometime in February we were traveling and I was like, uh-oh, I'm almost out. And then it's like, you know, we weren't at home and and I know the shipment was there, so you know, it's it's you know, getting an extra month ahead is is probably a good idea, especially if you have a crazy lifestyle and travel.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

I was guessing I always I always keep an extra jar just in case, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Well, Kim, this is great. Thanks for coming on. I really, really appreciate your time and helping everyone understand a little bit more about their personalized journey into health. Um, and again, everyone, this is the longevity loop caught. Eh, you'd think I'd have enough coffee today. Thanks for listening. This is the Longevity Loop podcast. And if you like conversations that make longevity a little bit more practical and a little bit less confusing, which is what we try to do here by having uh guests on, such as Kim, to explain these things. And uh subscribe to the podcast, share it with someone that you think would get some benefit out of that. And also, we have an awesome newsletter that goes out every week on spanner.com. So you can go sign up for that, spanr.com. And again, just reminder this was education only, not medical advice. I'm not a doctor and I don't even pretend to be one. It's just a podcast uh to just educate yourselves so you can go out and do your own research. So with that said, uh, let's sign off. Thanks. Thank you, Brett. This is the Longevity Loop Podcast.