Biohacking Starts With No

A $27,000 hyperbaric chamber should have been a shortcut to better brain health. Instead, it triggered massive headaches and exposed a hard truth about longevity and biohacking: the “best” optimization tools can fail when you haven’t removed what’s harming you first. Sandy Martin, creator of the Biological Edge Framework and founder of the BioEdge Longevity Summit, joins me to talk about why better health often starts with saying no, not buying more.

We also dig into Sandy’s mom’s recovery journey after an unexpected stroke, even though she had been doing many of the classic health habits like intermittent fasting, a ketogenic diet, breathwork, and regular walking. Sandy shares what went wrong in rehab, what finally helped regulate blood pressure, and how a consistent mild hyperbaric oxygen therapy protocol supported major functional gains over just a few weeks. If you’ve been curious about HBOT for stroke recovery, brain repair, or health span, you’ll hear the details and the caveats.

From there, we zoom out to the bigger question: how do you navigate supplements, devices, and the flood of longevity advice without getting overwhelmed or hurting yourself? Sandy breaks down her EDGE sequence (eliminate, decode, gain, execute), why sugar and late-night screens are common “first no’s,” and a simple breathing-and-humming practice you can do anywhere to support nitric oxide, circulation, and nervous system balance. We also touch on where the longevity industry is heading, including GLP-1s, hype cycles, and the need for better guidance.

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Transcript

The Chamber That Backfired

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I spent$27,000 on a hard shell chamber and put it in the office because it wouldn't fit in the elevator where I live. And then I started to use it and I got massive, massive headache because we didn't know I had mold. We didn't know what was wrong with me. And so I'm having this hurt response from the mold in my brain that we don't know is there that's causing these massive headaches. And I'm doing what everyone recommends is the number one thing you can do to improve oxygen flow in your brain.

Meet Sandy And The No Framework

SPEAKER_02 0:30

This is the Longevity Loop Podcast, and I'm your host, Brent Wallace. In every episode, I bring you the leading voices in longevity, plus my own insights, put the world's best strategies directly into your hands, making elite longevity strategies accessible to everyone, regardless of your background. So let's jump into the loop starting right now. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the Longevity Loop podcast. Today's guest is Sandy Martin, uh creator of the Biological Edge Framework, which she'll get into if you don't know exactly what that is off the bat. Founder of the BioEge Longevity Summit, which is very cool. I always love talking to people that are organizing things in the longevity space and just a shaker and a maker, you know, like getting everyone together. And it's it's it's you know, longevity community is a cool community, and it's just really cool that Sandy has created uh longevity summit, and I'm sure she'll talk about that. And then also, on top of all those other things, uh Sandy is also the author of um, I think two books, right, Sandy? Uh I know Biological Edge and then Biohacking Starts with No, right? Those are the two books. Okay, great, got it. Nailed it. So um, so uh what I really appreciate about Sandy's work, and I almost got into it, um, but it's it's about cutting through the noise because there's a ton of noise in all health things related. And it seems like even maybe longevity has a little bit more noise than just the normal health stuff. So, you know, like trying to figure that out. But Sandy's message is really about cutting through all that and focusing on what really matters, right? And so you saying no to probably more than you say yes to is is is really like at least that's what I got out of it, you know, the the the the framework there. So Sandy's uh perspective and and knowledge comes from experience, one, and then also dealing with her own health issues, um, mold exposure, which I I know a lot of us have either dealt with personally or known someone personally as dealt with. It's it's it's a really big issue. Um, and then you know, just like like so many people, just trying to find trying to find the solutions for years and years and years, coming to dead ends, things that don't work, and then um, you know, trying to find the answers to it. And then uh she came to uh an idea that the idea of better health actually starts with saying no. So uh really novel concept, very wise concept. Um uh actually Sandy, I d I didn't say previously, but it reminds me Tim Ferris is writing that book on no. It's like he's writing a whole like his next book is about saying no too. So really yeah, it's it's all I'm in good company. Yeah, really, yeah, really cool. So um uh I don't know when it's gonna come out. He's been working on it for years, but basically that's kind of the the the the essence of that book too. And I think a little bit of is it more like the investor side of things, you know, not overcommitting, but still simplification, almost like a minimalist uh type approach, um, that you know, it really resonates in a busy life today. So um, so yeah, so Sandy's building all kinds of really cool, interesting things. We'll get into them all. And so um one thing I want to mention before we get into this, I'm not a doctor, and I don't think Sandy is a doctor, but just the we'll talk about all kinds of things. It's not medical advice. This is just a conversation between two friends. So take it for entertainment purposes only. If you hear anything that's interesting to you here and you're like, oh wow, like let's go check that out, check with your doctor first. It's super easy to do. Um, and everything, especially with longevity medicine and kind of like more cutting-edge stuff, it's so individualized. It's not just like take some vitamin D. It's just like these things are really personalized to individual. I mean, there's a reason it's called epigenetic testing or really precision medicine, because it really is focused on who you are, what your body is, your genes and your expression, and all of that that goes into it. So just really just double down on making sure that you talk to a medical expert, whoever that might be in your life, and don't take advice from us. We're just talking what's worked for us, what's worked for friends in our lives. So just I just want to make sure that that is extremely clear because it's very, very important with longevity medicine stuff. So, um, so uh with that said, uh one thing that we just briefly talked about, which uh I I got really interested in too is Sandy has shared uh her mom's recovery journey and it revolves around hyperbaric hyperbaric oxygen therapy or HBOT, um, which we had a previous show around uh on the podcast about it, and it's just it's just a really cool protocol. And Sandy's story with her mom is actually one of the first ones I've heard where someone's recovering from something instead of kind of doing it as a preemptive and just getting healthier things. So I'm really uh excited to dig into that. And with that kind of long-winded intro, Sandy, welcome to uh the Longevity Loop podcast.

Rehab Jail And The Blood Pressure Fix

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Thank you, Brent. I'm so happy to be here. And if I can start with the why we were so shocked that my mom had a stroke in the first place, I think that might resonate with crowd because my mom had been on an intermittent fasting ketogenic diet for about three years. She was doing Wim Hof breath work, um, so that kind of tumo-style breathing, and was up to 90 seconds um regularly in a breath hold, um, walking regularly. She was doing very, very, very well, even though she had high blood pressure and um high cholesterol. And then she went to the doctor, she had been taking a supplement, she didn't know she was she didn't know how important it was. And her blood pressure had come down. She thought it was from everything she was doing. Um, she had 120 over 80, and the doctor was like, Yeah, you don't need blood pressure medication. But she was taking a supplement that was helping her, and we didn't know. She stopped taking the supplement. She ended up having a stroke a few months later. I was at Dave Asprey's biohacking conference. When I got the call, she was in the hospital. And so here we were, proactive, and I'm at an event just celebrating how we can do all of these things and prevent illness like this, prevent problems like strokes. And I was shocked. And so I jumped on uh the first plane I could get out of Austin, went back home to Louisville, and showed up around 1 a.m. at my mom's bedside in the hospital. And she had a PEMF device at home. Um we got we had a mag Magna Wave at home. Those are made in Louisville too. And she felt dizzy a couple days. Well, I'm sorry, about 24 hours before she went to the hospital, she had a dizzy spell. And she was like, Oh, feel great. I guess I'll sit on my pimp. And so she did, and she continued, she got a little better, but her symptoms did progress such that my dad took her to the hospital the next day. But because it had been so long, they couldn't give her any of the immediate stroke drugs or anything that they do when you have a clot, and it it was a clot-style stroke. It wasn't an um I guess that's an ischemic versus the kind where you bleed out. I forget what that's called, but anyhow, um, it was in her left pons, and we think that the pimp moved it along and helped that be an isolated minimal um point of damage for her brain. So even though she did lose control over the um right side of her body, she couldn't hold a fork and feed herself, um, she was struggling to walk. She didn't get locked in syndrome, which can happen when you have a stroke in the left pons. And so there we were in the hospital. They were like, Look, your dad can't take care of her. He was uh diagnosed with severe osteoporosis, he was barely getting around at the time. And so she has to go to rehab. And my brother and I were there and we didn't know what to do. And mom and I had been so proactive for so long, I had to decide with uh obviously my brother's buy-in, but I had to make what I thought was a good call. Should she go home and then get her straight into HBOT, get her straight into the clinic where she could do these things, or send her to rehab. And they kind of misrepresented what rehab was going to be like. Um we we sent her to rehab, we thought it was gonna be a few days, maybe a week, and they were angling to keep her 14 to 21 days. And what they did was they strapped her to the bed, or if she was in a chair, they strapped her to the chair. She was able to walk, but they wouldn't let her. So when she had to go for therapy, they wouldn't allow her to go on the walker to get there. They kept her in the wheelchair, they kept her strapped down, and then they gave her caffeine three times a day. Yep. And then obviously the worst foods in the world, but it was coffee in the morning and tea for lunch and dinner. And so they they told me, so they're amping up her blood pressure. She's super stressed, she's on caffeine, and they won't let her move around. And so there was nothing that that was going to get her into a state where they wouldn't let her go until let her leave until her bread blood pressure came down. But they had her on three blood pressure medications. A stroke can temporarily increase blood pressure and it can resolve, we felt, but it wasn't, and none of the drugs were helping. And so I happened to watch Ben Azati's video with Nathan Bryan, who creates the N101 um nitric oxide supplement. Happened to watch it while she was in rehab while we were struggling through this, and he talked about um 50% of people not being able to regulate blood pressure at all with medication, and that it's a nitric oxide problem. This happens to be the same supplement she stopped taking three months before.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Okay, I was gonna ask that. I'm like, what is the supplement that she's taking? Okay, okay, I got it.

HBOT Protocol And Rapid Recovery

SPEAKER_01 11:00

And she ran out and it was it's expensive, it's sixty dollars a bottle, and she just stopped taking it. Um she takes it now. But we we brought that. Uh, I had a few left at home because I keep it on hand just for days when I feel like I want more energy. And I I brought it to rehab. I told her doctor, and I said, I think this might help. She stopped taking this and that I think she needs this to get her blood pressure down. Within two days, it did come down, and we got his permission for her to leave. But she was not on track to leave. And and if it if they weren't constraining her and only letting her exercise in 20 minute pre-approved intervals two times a day, and sometimes not at all in a day, I wouldn't have been so adamant about getting her out of what I call rehab jail because they just were so intent on protecting their own liability, they did not have her best interest at heart. And in that period of time, my dad he showed up every day. He hadn't been driving. He started to drive, he's and he was showing up every day, and he was sitting there all day and he was taking care of himself by himself at home. And so I was like, hey, you can spend five hours at rehab every day next week, like you have been, or you can step it up and also take care of mom. And he's like, let's get her home. So we got her out of there. And within a day of being home, I got her to the ViFi Wellness Clinic in Louisville. Um, Elaine Pauli, who owns Magna Wave, owns that clinic. And they have hyperbaric and PEMF and cryo and sauna. We weren't putting her in cryo. Um we and she had the PEMF at home, so she didn't need that. Um, but I knew that the oxygen would repair her brain. And there's a video on my website on biohacking starts with no.com of her progression, where I I think I started the video on day two and what it was like for her to get up from the chair and then four weeks later, what it was like for her to walk out.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah, I think that's the videos I was watching that was like is is really cool to watch. Is it is a cool, you're like, wow, this is impressive.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

And she did about 75 minutes in the pressurized chamber. So it was 90 total, because she had to pressurize and then come out. So about 75 minutes, it's compressed oxygen. It it was a mild chamber. It wasn't one, it wasn't one of those medical clinics. So mild chamber, compressed oxygen, 75 minutes, six days a week for four weeks. She drove after that. Like when she went in, she couldn't hold a fork. She came out and she's fine. Now she's gradually improved. Fine fine is not where mom wants to be. Mom wants to do great. Uh, mom wants to get up off the floor unassisted. That's her always her goal for her own her her measure of aging well is can I get up from a seated position on the floor without using my hands? And she can do that today. And this was May of last year.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

That's so cool. Yeah, I mean, I I recall that from the videos. Like, I think, like you said, it was like the second day, and she couldn't get out of the chamber unassisted. And I remember it must have been one of the last days or maybe two weeks through or whatever, but there was like a green chair that was much lower. I was like, oh wow, that's a low chair. And she got out by herself, and I was like, all right, all right.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

So that was really cool. You must have shared the the stroke story with the PMF people, the magna wave folks, like about that. Did they have anything to say about like obviously they can't make any medical claims around it, but have they ever heard that from someone else as far as like the PEMF and stroke and any anything like that before?

SPEAKER_01 14:59

It helps microcirculation. And so they they suggested that on a very low setting to have it um near the back of her head um would help her continuously um improve. And so she did that for a while too. But she she didn't do a lot of ongoing PM PEMF, but she did do that regular 75-minute every day, six days a week. She would have done it seven, but they were closed on Sundays. You know, the protocol really only recommends five days a week, but I figured her situation was severe enough. We she could do the extra day and it would be fine.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Uh yeah, because there's a difference between because I I know the ones like you see like Brian Johnson get in and like the hard shell ones, that I think it's like the atmosphere goes up higher, right? And those soft shell ones are just a little bit less.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

So yeah, this was 1.4 ATA.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

I think the hard shells are right now, your standard at-home hard shell can get up to about 2.0 ATA ATA. But the the brain doesn't love that much oxygen. And so it helps with epigenetic age reversal for sure to go up that high. But if you want to do it all the time, you probably shouldn't go over 1.5. And the Israelis have done a bunch of research about um 1.5 ATA, and that's where you see telomere lengthening and age reversal without any brain side effects.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

Oh, cool. Okay, and so like and and I think the most of the soft shell ones get up to that 1.5, right? Or 1.4.

SPEAKER_01 16:39

They're usually just shy of that, 1.3 to 1.4.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Okay. Yeah, I remember being at um one of the events I go to regularly is the Health Span Summit in LA. And they always have the HBOT chambers there. Then they have these pill type ones, and I forget the name. I think I want to say it's like American HBot or something like that, but basically it looks like a big pill that you get into. And and and I think that's 1.4 is what what I recall. But yeah, I mean that that's so cool. I it's like again, with like biohacking and and longevity and all this stuff, there's all these cool tools. I'm like, man, I wish I had a million dollars that I could just like outfit like the best studio and have all this stuff, you know. But you know, I'm I'm a big uh 80-20 proponent there. And and also like you know, like like you say, the bio the biohacking starts with no, right? Or you know, this that so let's get into that because you know, we're we're talking about a little bit of minimalism here and the minimum effective dose I'm imagining, and just kind of saying no.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

So well, I can continue on that same theme with the H bot and how it didn't work for me and and why I say it starts with no. So I I knew for my mom that that was the right thing because she had already eliminated so many assaults to her, to her body, right? Like she was on a low sugar diet, she was doing all of the things that one does, the filtered water, the filtered air. She's like really dialed it in. What she didn't dial in at that time was stress. And she was really stressed out at the time she had the stroke, and she didn't she didn't know that her blood pressure was up. But in my case, the reason why it's so important to me that people don't take this conversation and say HBOT helps with everything, as anyone selling HBOT will tell you it does. When I was sick, I thought that I I had burnout. I went for a brain scan right away, a SMEC scan. I went to a neurologist when I had severe sudden cognitive decline. And he said you have a traumatic brain injury and you need neurofeedback, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and this drug called pneumotopine. And the drug is supposed to relax the blood vessels of the brain and allow the blood to flow more freely. And I started to do some research, and literally no one was using that for anything but a stroke. It's not used for TBIs. He was the only doctor doing it. And I said, Okay, I'm not sure about the drug. I started the neurofeedback, and then I went to see the um doctor at the HBOC clinic. And he asked me what protocol I was given, and I told him, and he said, Oh, Dr. So-and-so. I was like, wait, how do you know that? And he goes, He's the only one who recommends that drug. And so I didn't take the drug, and the the guy at the clinic, the doctor suggested a mild chamber rather than the 2.0 chambers they had inside the clinic. He said it would be better for my brain. And so I bought one. I bought a mild chamber. Um, I was running a company, I wanted to go all the time, I wanted other people in my life to enjoy the benefits. I spent$27,000 on a hard shell chamber and put it in the office because it wouldn't fit in the elevator where I lived. And then I started to use it and I got massive, massive headaches because we didn't know I had mold. We didn't know what was wrong with me. And so I'm having this Herx response from the mold in my brain that we don't know is there that's causing these massive headaches. And I'm doing what everyone recommends is the number one thing you can do to improve oxygen flow in your brain, but it wasn't right for me. And so I think that was a huge lesson. And I I tried other things. I tried a photobiomodulation helmet. Things that should have helped my brain perform better, should have helped me feel better. And that's why for me, biohacking starts with no. It's because we have to figure out what we need to get rid of first, whether it's a toxin in our bodies or uh food that is disrupting the way we feel, or whatever the case may be. Maybe it's sedentary life that we need to give up. We need to just move more. But these things are the most important first steps because it wasn't until I started to do those things, letting go of the things that were disrupting me, you know, detoxing, getting out of my home. I had to give up my home because it had mold in it. And to move to a place that was safe. And only at that point, and once I could take gentle, gentle binders to release the mold that was in my body, only then did any of these optimizing techniques start to help.

Finding Mold And The Testing Spiral

SPEAKER_02 21:31

Wow. So what what clued you in that was mold? Was it a a a mold test that you took, or did someone suggest it? Because I feel like your story sounds so familiar, right? It's like, oh my god, I've got brain fog and it's gotta be all these things, and I'm gonna start, you know, doing intervals or going to the gym. Yeah, I mean, whatever the litany of things that people add.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

You know, and then it it it always seems to be like years later, like then I went to a naturopath and they said it's mold and it

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Like you know, like so I was desperate and trying I was listening to every podcast I could and reading every book I could. Um I my my intelligence wasn't impaired in my cognitive impairment. I still had my intellect, but I didn't have the processing. So I couldn't commit to short-term memory and I couldn't work my way through a sequence. But I could read. I just wouldn't necessarily remember it. It took great effort and I took a lot of notes. Um and I but when I really had something that I wanted to remember, I I could. And I was listening to to one of Dave Asprey's books, and he described his brain scan, which was the same kind I had done. And he described a slide in that scan that looked like one of mine, that looked like a toxic pattern in the brain. And he explained that that had been for mold, he didn't have a drug or alcohol problem, and I could relate to not having a problem like that. I remembered the toxic-looking slide at the way he described it. Went back and I looked at it, and I thought, I'll get tested for mold. And because I would test anything that I could come up with. I had just tested for arsenic. That was that was a terrible decision. So I had crab cake 36 hours before I tested for arsenic. And I was taking activated charcoal because Dave Asprey said it was a good idea to do that every once in a while. And I was just doing anything Dave Asprey said at the time because I was biohacking. I hadn't come up with the no theory first. And um, and so I took activated charcoal after eating a crab cake, which meant I peed out a bunch of arsenic the morning that I did a heavy metals test. Not even Everly Well, which is who I contracted through. Like that was who sold me the test. Their lab in between had a tech that picked up the phone, called me, and said, I'm not supposed to call you, but you have so much arsenic in your body, you might just die. And I thought immediately I was about to die. And you that's called the nocebo effect. Like you can't, you can't easily overcome from a very solid belief that you might be dying. And someone telling you that you're about to die is a pretty good indicator for most people that they might die.

SPEAKER_02 24:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

And so I didn't know any better. Um, I started chelation therapy and got tested right before we started the drip. And that result came back 10 days later and said I didn't have arsenic poisoning. So stopped chelation, switched to glutathione. Um and it was about a month later that I tested for mold. So I was trying anything and everything to get better, feel better. And it wasn't until I found the right thing, the thing that was actually wrong with me, before I could get better. It didn't matter what I did, didn't matter what mitochondrial support. I was taking all the mitochondrial supplements. Um didn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

That's crazy. I I mean, I'm I'm I just like when when you're relating that experience, I was just thinking, like, I would probably think I have like early onset dementia or something like to that, you know, because it's like the brain, and you're just like, oh no, it's like, am I, you know, like you know, is this is this something that's happening there. But but yeah, I I feel like that's such a common thing that happens to people, and especially like with biohacking, because you do hear someone that's like, oh yeah, Dave Asprey, like he's cured, you know, all these things in his life, and he seems to be a pretty healthy, happy guy. And then you're just like, I'm gonna try all these things, and you know, and there's also just a ton of other biohackers, you know, medical advice out there, and yeah, like it's so easy. It's like, oh, three grams uh you know, four grams of omega-3, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

It'll fix everything, yeah.

Supplements, Fillers, And Biohacker Kidney Risk

SPEAKER_02 26:01

You know, so you just like jump in both feet, and and then you know, it seems later that you know, even just like yesterday, I was talking to um the neuroage uh Dr. Glorioso, and she was talking about she went to a dinner, and you know, then and I'm just I guess the story just resonates with your like you know, saying no to things, and and this dinner in Silicon Valley she's at, like, everyone at the table is like taking 50 plus supplements a day. And she's like, What are you people doing? Like, you have no idea. Like vitamin D. I mean, she didn't say anything specifically, but you know, it's like you don't know vitamin D, yeah, it's great, it's healthy, but you don't know how it interacts with, say, if you're taking metformin or you know, and or just like B vitamins and like all these things, like, yeah, each one of these things might be fine on their own, but you actually don't know how you're taking so many things, you don't know how they interact with each other, and you might be dragging yourself down by taking all these things, and so it's just one of those things that well, there's some studies coming out showing that biohackers in particular are starting to have kidney problems. Yeah, yeah, and I'd imagine that's probably from just taking too many supplements and kind of stuff like that, is my guess.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Yeah. And not all of them are clean, a lot of them have heavy metal content. And and so it it matters to know where they're coming from. You know, it matters to have to see the certification that shows that they're free of heavy metals. These things are important. And I try to get as much as I can in powder form. I don't take a lot. Even just like I like to take L-glutamine, it it helps my gut. My gut feels a little better when I do. But I switched from the pills to the powder because I take even even if I take 10 a day, which I I don't always, it's usually three to under 10. I don't like taking the capsules. I don't know what's in that. What what is that cellulose made out of? I don't know. It seems like a silly thing to me, but if I can get it in powder, I'll get it in a powder.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Well, I remember seeing an article written by I forget what it was, but it's just one of those nerdy vitamin manufacturers that talk about uh magnesium sterates that are in almost all supplements and how they're just awful for you. And and that's the thing, is like so many supplements are full of fillers. And that's just, you know, like you have this like double zero capsule, and it just, you know, maybe I don't know, like 50% of his fillers or something, and you're just like, oh my god, like I don't want the fillers. And so that sounds like a great way to kind of be doing your own powders and I'm gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Well, speaking of filler, like the all the mushrooms, you have to be really careful that you're getting the active ingredients in a lion's mane supplement because a lot of that is mycelium filler. And it doesn't, it doesn't really do much at all. It is lion's mane, but it doesn't have the active ingredient in a lot of these examples. But speaking of lion's mane, it's another example of you know, not everything starts with what you start. Starts with it doesn't start with something new. My cousin called me one day and he said um he was thinking about taking lion's mane. And he's a good old boy from Kentucky. And I was like, Where did you even hear about lion's mane? And he goes, Well, I'm having some brain fog, and I heard it could help with that. And I was like, Brian, please stop eating at McDonald's. And he was like, What? I was like, Yeah, that's causing your brain fog. And he goes, Oh, okay. And then he he asked me some questions over the next few days, and within two weeks he lost 16 pounds. He just didn't really take seriously until I said it that that's where you start. You don't add lion's mane on top of a happy meal. That's not how this is done. That's not how this works.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

I always appreciate, you know, Brian Johnson. You know, I I I mean, I I really like Brian Johnson's stuff, and I think he seems to be come across as a good guy, but like he has so much stuff going on, and I feel like he's been kind of more reiterating lately. He's like, look, look, look, it doesn't matter what you add on top of this, you know, don't worry about the repomycins and the metformin's and all this. It's like sleep. Sleep number one, you know, like exercise, number, you know, it's like these really back to basic things, and you're and I think it's easy to lose sight of that, right? It's just so easy to be like, oh, I heard this multivitamin, you know, and then you're just like, oh, but yeah, you're still eating McDonald's, or I mean, you know, whatever whatever the thing is. You might have a desk job and you don't get out to exercise.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Eating your food in a plastic container, like right. That'll mess with your hormones, which messes with your stress level, which messes with everything.

The First Two No’s Sugar And Screens

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah. I was just listening to Dr. Rhonda Patrick talk about that. And she how she, I think it was her, she's talking about like the black plastics are even worse because they're like they it's the recycled plastics, and it has even more of the microplastics. And then I just started to look around and like, oh my gosh, all that food delivery service, you know, the keto, you know, food delivery service all comes in black plastic things, and you're just like you just can't win sometimes. Yeah. Um, so what is one of the first things that people should do uh before they start before they well, let me rephrase that. So, okay, so you just kind of describe, you know, that start with no. What does that actually mean? And you and you wonderfully went over all of that. So what is the first thing that most people should probably stop doing before they add anything new? And and I guess it was it your cousin or brother's, you know, McDonald's example is probably a great one. But it's what's something that's like maybe uh, you know, because obviously people are listening to this podcast and and like to take away some actionable advice and and listening, what are some of the things that people are?

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Probably the two most poisonous things that are most common in someone's life are sugar and screens. And so sugar is the root of inflammation. And if if we're not careful about the quantity of sugar we consume or the kind of sugar we consume, um, because we are we're all we shouldn't be sugar free. Um and that and I don't like to eat artificial sweeteners. Um I love my apples and love my dark chocolate. Um and I do eat some white flour occasionally, I have some white rice occasionally. Um I eat potatoes, like I eat sweet potatoes and regular potatoes, and I know I'm probably not supposed to eat the skins because of the lectins, but you know, my I've repaired my gut so I can add some things back and it doesn't destroy me. Um, but it's important that we're not overdoing it, right? So I think it's different for everybody. You know, uh i if someone's accustomed to eating sweets every night as a treat after dinner, or having a waffle for breakfast every day, or even a bagel for breakfast every day, that could be contributing to a situation where they don't feel good.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

And then the screens at night are you know sleep interrupting. So finding a way, whether it's the silly glasses or you know, it would be nice if they could just fix the screens to stop emitting the you know, the blue light.

SPEAKER_02 33:35

I know, I know. I it it's so annoying. Like one of the things that you know we like to do is I mean, we live here in Arizona, so a lot of times our just evenings are just spent outside because it's nice and warm, and there's like, okay, and then you're like, okay, it's time to go to bed, you know, nice screen free. But like once in a while it's it's great to sit down and watch some Netflix or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

It's so like I mean, okay, you can wear the glasses, but I just wish a TV manufacturer would just like have, you know, where you can just have the blue light setting off or like whatever phone. And I learned that from Brian Johnson, but the but the thing that you could go click it three times and then it turns red. What?

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Really?

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Yeah, so you could do like the power button. I mean, if you have an iPhone, I'm sure Android has something like this too, but you press the I mean it's a shortcut you have to stop. You you have to Oh, I have to find it.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

But you have to program it, but it's basically hitting your power button three times and I have it set to thing. But if you just googled Brian Johnson red light shortcut on your phone, so I always do that at night. It's a great little easy hack. You don't have to go into screen settings and color and all that. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

I had no idea.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Yeah, yeah. He he had that in one of his random videos, like I don't know, like six months ago or whatever. But yeah, for anyone listening, just Google that. And then otherwise, um, yeah, you just set it up in your shortcuts. So that's been a great thing. But again, like, you know, goes back to the I wish I had a million dollars to create the perfect house, but I've seen people also do where they have the LED lights, like the Phillips Hue, and it just naturally goes to a red-orange setting at night. So just even all your lights, because even if you don't watch TV and you don't look at your cell phone, you still have your refrigerator lights that are blasting blue light, you know. And then I've seen people, you know, coat their refrigerator um, you know, lights with you know the the blocking, you know, whatever. But it's just like it's just it's just everywhere though. You know, it's just it's just it's just a really hard thing to to solve for. But yeah, it's it's really irritating. So, okay, so those are two great places to start, right? Sugar, cut down your sugar. Um, and and you're just talking white sugars, right? I mean, does that include maple syrup and honey and kind of it depends on who you are and what you're eating and and and how you feel, what your goals are.

Listening To The Body’s Signals

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Like, I I really try not to be prescriptive. I think that it's hard to let go of something. And for some per someone it might be a soda, and the other it might be I mean, if you're having maple syrup, you probably don't need the pancakes either. Um so it you know, one goes with the other, it's hard to say. But I don't want to demonize any of these foods because after I got better in moderation, I was able to add things back with without having any adverse side effects. And so I think the goal is to be at a point in our health where I mean it's a kind of hormesis, right? That if I normally don't have sugar, if I don't normally eat something processed, and I eat something processed, then my body gets a little stressed and over-responds, and maybe that's like cold therapy. I don't know. I just don't want to demonize these things. Yeah. So I think it it it just what we're trying to do is to get to a place where we can hear the signals the body's sending. And I don't like to talk about symptoms because symptoms imply a diseased state. And I like to think that the body's natural intelligence is sending accurate intelligence reports about what's going on so that we can make adjustments in real time. So if you think about the billions of processes happening inside our body, inside our cells, every second, then you realize that doctors and scientists have never written down the full complexity of what the body can do. They don't know 100%. It hasn't been put in written language. So that means artificial intelligence doesn't know either, because all it knows is written language. It only knows what has been stored. Now it can process everything that's been stored really well, but nothing is processing at the rate our bodies do. And so if we treat our bodies as intelligent and sending the appropriate signal so that we can adjust in real time and give it what it needs, and stop seeing ourselves as diseased, but seeing ourselves as on a path to to vibrancy, then I I think it it makes a difference. And so once we can understand those signals, make minor adjustments, feel those results, then we can make space for adding more. Like biohackers will say they want to live beyond 120, right? Like Dave's whole thing is beyond 180. And I think that that's silly, but but also cute, right? Like that's that's adorable that Dave wants to live beyond 180 years. Um I hope he does. As we speak, the oldest living human has ever been 123 and so it seems like the DNA is encoded to live about 120 years unimpeded. Maybe biohacking actually gets us beyond that. But I would just be thrilled to live a good life, a good 120-year life. That would thrill me. And I don't want to decline as I age. I want I want today to be like I'm just getting started in life. I want to feel like this is like a teenager. I want every day, I treat every day now like if I'm gonna live another 50 plus years, then I'm just getting started.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and and I feel like that just encapsulates the health span versus lifespan argument there. You know, it's like we want a health span more than a lifespan. Like, because 80 years well spent is much better than a hundred years if you're just constantly in pain and and struggling through all that. So, um, but yeah, I mean, that's that's that's the goal, right? Is to feel great all the way up until the day you die.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

With us in old age who also feel great.

Why Doctors Cannot Deviate

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Yeah. Oh, 100%. I mean, that's uh I feel like I'd love watching Blue Zone documentaries, you know, like the there's so many of them out there, and it just always it just you know, it's even like some of the old people smoking and whatever, and you're just like, what is going on? But it it always seems to come at like the most common thing. I mean, obviously they're all active, but it's all community, right? It's all the people who they're hanging out with, and they're happy playing bocce ball or you know, like whatever whatever it is, and and you're just like, okay, that seems to be like almost the most important or one of the most important things, uh, is is just hanging on to people you like and love and and and get along with and also being healthy there too. So um, and then the other thing I just wanted to touch on real quick to you remind me of, you know, as far as like how I try to think about things for my life, is less processes the better, right? So with sugar and oils and all that stuff, that stuff's so processed. And like the one thing I think about honey is like, well, yeah, it's a sweetener, it can spike your insulin and all that, but it's unprocessed. So I think that's a great place for a lot of people to start, at least, is like the least process your food, no matter what it is, is probably a good idea and an easy place to start, you know, where you look at the McDonald's and you're like, wow, like what are the ingredients? I like could I don't know any of the ingredients in this hamburger bun. You know, I mean, this is all crazy. Whereas, like, if you're like milling your own flour, maybe that's not re you know realistic, but you know, like, and then letting it ferment, you know, with the sourdough. Like, we we at our house we have a 120-year-old starter from Alaska. And I love pancakes, but they're sourdough pancakes, and they're all buckwheat flours and heirloom grains and you know, like that type of thing. And um, and and same with pizza and bread and everything, but but you know, the I guess the point being like it's fermented and they're heirloom grains, and that you know, it's like trying to get the the best so I can kind of enjoy the you know junk foods, but also make very nourishing, healthy versions of those. Uh again, for me and what we do, but uh but I always feel that's a good place to start, is the the unprocessed rule, as unprocessed as you can get.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Um I prefer a world where we're not judging each other for the choices we make.

SPEAKER_03 42:44

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

I think that that kind of derision is just on that is unhealthy. I want to let go of that. I want a world again where health isn't the second most divisive topic in our country. Right? Like, can we just eat in peace?

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Right. Well, I feel like you you touch on it just super, super briefly, but when when you were talking about your mom and the hospital there, and it's the liability thing that I feel like when we're kind of going back and forth with our son, with our pediatrician, and they're like, no, everything that the CDC says is all we can all we'll do.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

That's all they can do. They cannot deviate.

SPEAKER_02 43:27

Yeah, and it's just like, hold on, wait, like that's no, like I don't like I mean, CDC is fine, I have no problem with them. But just that cookie cutter for everyone, this is the only way, and it all comes down to liability, and that's what it is. And it's just like, and it's so irritating sometimes that it's just like, okay, fine, I get it. That's w what might work for most of the people, but it's like I want to optimize child, I want to optimize me, I want to optimize family and community and everything. And and that's what it is. It's like it's become so divisive. Because there's the the liability part of things, and then there's obviously the companies that are pushing whatever they're pushing, you know, whether it be pharmaceuticals or, you know, supplements or, you know, foods or whatever. And then there's you know, and just like, yeah, it's it's it's crazy. I 100% agree.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

I used to get mad at the doctors. Like I had a doctor that wouldn't test me for C reactive protein, and I stopped seeing him because he wouldn't test me for it. That was back in like 2017 or 2018. I didn't even know about any of this world at the time, and I just heard of inflammation markers, and I thought I should know about mine. And he was like, well, if it's high, what do we do? We can't do anything for inflammation, so we don't test for it. And I know now, having brought my inflammation down, I took the Ginfinity Advanced panel with all the um interleukin markers that they test for, and the things that were sky high when I was sick are all in normal range now. And so I know that I can I've I've done it. I have brought inflammation down, I've measured it. And I think back to that doctor, and I he was fit and healthy looking and smart. I really thought he was a smart guy. And I bet he himself knows how to bring down inflammation. But he's not allowed to say it. He's not allowed to tell anyone. He can't, and I think maybe I don't know what makes it different now in a cash pay versus insurance model, but I know that they risk losing their ability to have coverage through certain insurance companies if they deviate from the standard. Yeah, and they're protecting their own families by sticking to the approved dogma. And that's what we're up against.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

Yep. And that's exactly what it is. And and you know, like with longevity clinic marketing, uh, you know, my marketing agency that I work with, longevity clinics, like there's so many of the longevity clinics uh that require you to have a primary care physician. And the reason isn't that they can't be PCPs, it's that they are if they're giving you metformin and these things that are just like, you know, and peptides and all these things that you know, from you know, some pretty good research and evidence, and but but it's not the CDC or FDA or anything. So the liability they still have to have you with a PCP to kind of get those baselines covered, you know, like the you know, once a year annual checkups and stuff, because they're the ones doing the the CDC stuff. But obviously, you and I and most of our audience probably knows they're not there to optimize. They're that's the sick care system, it's not the optimizing sick care. So, yeah, it's just kind of a a little bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation here, and um, and it's just really unfortunate. And and I am, you know, just like you said, is like I'm so sick of it being divisive. Like, I am positive that the truth will come out at some point, or you know, whatever, but you know, I but it just takes more conversations like we're having, and just like, hey, this is hey, this is a little different here. This isn't what my doctor said to do. Like this crazy person over here that everyone's like criticized forever is actually has the one with the solutions for mold or whatever these things are.

Building A Summit That Reduces Noise

SPEAKER_01 47:19

Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny watching people evolve too, because I I have this um childhood best friend who I met up with about two years ago, and and we were talking about health and politics, and he goes, It's not the hot dogs. I was like, I didn't say it was the hot dogs. Like, what are you what are we even talking about here? And then I saw him a a couple months ago and he goes, So I'm taking creatine. And I was like, what happened to you? And so I think that the world is changing and the longevity movement's taking hold, and people are starting to get information that's helping them. Not that I'm a big fan of adding before subtracting, but uh I'm happy to hear he's taking creatine. I think he probably benefits. And um yeah, I just really I look forward to to what I like to do is I like to put the clinicians and the um health optimizers in the same room with my events because the conversations get really interesting. In this world of longevity, you've got like your academics, you've got your medical conferences, and you've got your festivals. Um, because I consider Dave's event to be more like a festival.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Totally.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

And um and and there's not a lot that bridges those gaps. Your regular person isn't gonna go to a Buck Institute longevity summit. And clinicians are not going to festivals like Dave's. They go to little medical conferences, they get their CMEs, they they do whatever. And I want to I want to get everybody under the same roof. I want to mix it up and I want to shake things up. I I want to change the conversation from one that is high and mighty and I know this, blah, blah, blah, to, you know, we're all human. Let's just figure out a way to feel better. Let's let's do this together, let's collaborate, let's get to know one another. And that's kind of the mission I'm on.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Yeah, well, I mean, let's let's talk about your event. So you've built large events before. What mill made you want to build the BioEdge Longevity Summit? I mean, it sounds like that was a little bit of an encapsulation of of what it is, bringing these kind of almost two or three different camps of you know, longevity or or optimize health together. Um, what made you want to build this and what's in store for this next one in New York?

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Well, when I first got sick, the with the brain injury that I had from mold, I was running Comic Cons. And so rather than to dress up like Batman, I want them to be like Batman. And I ran two biohacking events in Miami called BioHacker Expo, and they were lots of fun and um accomplished a lot and got had some really interesting conversations in the room. We had JP Sears host the main stage at the last one.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

He's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

And um, it was a good time, but they the marketplace is shifting, you know. I there were two things that changed in the last year that I I really needed to pay attention to before I would do another one. One was that um because of the divisiveness of uh that politics has put into the field of health, biohacking has turned into a bad word. Like it really is something that the media wants to squash. And it's it everyone is doing those techniques, but they're all calling it something else because they don't want to be pigeonholed as an extremist. There are a lot of people who've taken the vaccine who want HBOT therapy, right? So it's not this tiny little niche world of extremists, and people don't want to be lumped in as extreme. And and so it's important to acknowledge that culture has shifted. Even Dave doesn't use the term biohacking with his event anymore, it's beyond. And so when Dave lets it go, the the term is dead.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

And so I feel like he's the grandfather of that word in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

So I call him the godfather of got of biohacking.

unknown 51:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

And so um I think it's it's important to acknowledge that that term doesn't resonate with the general public. And if I really want to help masses of people, I've I've got to acknowledge where I've got to meet people where they are. And then at the same time, I think I've lost my train of thought here a little bit. The um, oh right. So putting all of those vendors in the same room, I had about 80 vendors promoting gain. Optimize, optimize, optimize, supplement, pack, use this device, add this thing. And they're all great companies. But I wasn't offering any guidance. People were walking away more confused. So, whereas somebody may have heard of a couple of things they could do to optimize their health, they walked out of my event with 50 new ideas, and sometimes that just shuts people down, and then they don't know where to start, what to do. And so it's important for me. That's why I wrote the book, Biological Edge, was to create the framework that says eliminate, decode, gain, execute. That's edge. And so elimination before optimization and reduce the noise so you can decode the signals so that you know, if you still want to add things, great. But let's create space for what we're gonna add so that we can live better lives at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Got it. And then so that's eliminate decode. And then what was the GE part of edge?

SPEAKER_01 53:02

Gain and execute.

SPEAKER_02 53:03

Gain and execute.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

And so gain is really the whole biohacking community. That's all of the supplements and devices and things, that's something that we add that to to do better. But none of that can be reliably effective if we haven't cleared the path. You know, if we're suffering from from diet, mold, toxins, pollution. If if we if we haven't cleaned our air, our water, and our food, then these things might not help. You know, a a mineral isn't a mineral supplement is great, but it's not gonna make up for eating out every single day. Just doesn't do it. It doesn't work that way. And so I've I wanted to be able to explain to people a sequence that they they they can remember. Um, so eliminate before you optimize, um, find a way to hear what your body's trying to tell you. Oh, this is my optimization right here. There you go. I got him when I was sick because I the doctor told me not to exercise, and I was like, Well, that's dumb. And yeah, because I had pots, and so I was getting dizzy when I stood up, and he was like, You shouldn't, you shouldn't exercise. So I got a dog, so I'd walk five times a day.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

Right, there you go. Yeah, I when I had a dog, it was like I I think I got the wrong kind of dog. I had a German short hair, and it was just like it was just like, okay, let's he's like, let's go. Okay, so like go for an hour run, come home. It's like, okay, I'm tired. I need to like, and then he's just like, let's go again. Like, oh my God. Okay, okay. I love your energy, and it's too much for me. You know, so yeah, yeah. So you gotta have a dog that's appropriate for I feel like people say that about me sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

I love your energy, sometimes it's too much.

Where Longevity Is Heading With GLP-1s

SPEAKER_02 55:01

That's a good thing, it's a high quality problem. Um so where where do you see, you know, it's interesting to hear about the biohacking being a bad word. I'd like because it I I haven't heard that explicitly said, but like as you said that, I'm like, yeah, I did like you kind of hear less and less of that. Um, you know, just you know, for whatever reason. And yeah, I mean it's I'm I'm interested to wonder if like longevity is going to be a bad word at some point, you know, because there are this, you know, and I had someone on the podcast kind of talk about this, this longevity thing is this kind of like privileged, you know, it's like you have to be in a certain financial economic class to kind of even participate in it. And and even though that's not necessarily a hundred percent true, because obviously things like sleep and whatever, but that is still kind of a luxury. But, you know, so I I I do think that, you know, it it's hard to talk about health and optimizing your health and longevity and like living a long, healthy life when um you know, so I I'm just I I guess I'm just kind of almost wondering out loud with you is like if that's gonna be a bad word at some point because it's like, oh, longevity, like what what are you like you know, like something like that.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

But you're not wrong. Some people think that people who live longer are a s are a drain on the system, you know, because of Social Security. And then the a lot of the things that people on this path are taking are inaccessible to people. But if you get to the root of it and that's that's part of the issue, is that the industry is made up of companies that are trying to profit off of people who are desperate for longer life. Right? So it's not necessarily a holistic industry. But at the core of it, give me a couple of squats every day. Do a do a 30 to 60 second plank, you know, get outside and walk. I've switched from plastic um Tupperware style containers to pasta jars. Pasta sauce jars are my new Tupperware. That didn't cost me anything. In fact, I have so many in my cabinet that I have to recycle them now.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

Well, I feel like so old school too. Like I was just telling my wife the other day, like I remember going to my grandmother's like laundry room when I was a kid, and yeah, she had stacks and stacks. And granted, there's plastic cottage cheese containers too to reuse, but like, you know, just like all the glass like jars from every jam and jelly and whatever, and you know, those are to be reused. And so, yeah, you know, it's like keep keep those peanut butter jars and and all that stuff, and and and hopefully the lid is okay. I feel like that's when I keep them. It's like the lids start to get all kind of mangled, and then plastic and paint starts flaking off. So I'm like, I wonder if this is you know, so anyway. Um, so where do you see the longevity space going in the next few years? You know, with you know, like you have a a definite pulse on the industry with everything that you're doing and have your you know involved in.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

Um well the longevity industry co-opted the weight loss industry. They've convinced everyone that GLP1s are your way to um greater health span. And uh, you know, even Eric Burden, I think I saw him in it in an interview saying that they're seeing evidence at the Buck Institute that microdosing GLP1s is helping um prevent metabolic syndrome and is helping improve biomarkers of aging. And I so I think people are looking at it from a lot of perspectives. Some biohackers would say that's cheating, and uh, which I think is ironic because everything in biohacking seems to be like taking a shortcut. Um, so pot calling the kettle, you know, I don't know. But um I think that the industry right now, as driven by the media and all the headlines that I see, is taking the GLP1 movement and addressing their needs. And so people taking GLP1s are generally recognized as needing to exercise more and take and consume more protein because of the effect that those um semiglutides have on the body. I'm not an expert on those compounds and I haven't taken it, and I I don't really know how they work or how it feels, but I do see a lot of headlines supporting gyms, protein. Um, even I saw something the other day about how they're putting doctor's offices inside of gyms now because that's where people are trying to get healthy. And so if that's the trend where we're integrating um medical care and working out, I think that's a really awesome trend. And I'd like to see where that goes. I I just hope and pray that we're not gonna end up in a situation where there are massive side effects that we didn't see coming, and people end up in a situation that they didn't expect. I do hope that those people are being served by the longevity industry pushing those drugs on them. And so that uh that concerns me, but I also uh I just observe that yes, it does help to lose weight. Yes, it does help to bring down the cravings and the insulin levels and whatnot. So, you know, we'll see how this plays out for a few years. And you know, it will that will probably be the most impactful thing we have on the industry is the long-term effect of using these compounds, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:47

Yeah. Yeah, I wonder about that a lot. Um GLP1s specifically, but also just so many, even just like rapamycin um or serlemus, you know, whatever the you know you you'd call it. But it was just such a hot thing there for a while. I was like, oh, you know, like all these longevity doctors uh were prescribing it. And I I was someone who was taking it too. I was like, cool, this is this is great. And then it's like, oh hold on here, you'll pump the brakes. Let's let's see what's what's going on. This might not be good because it's you know doing XYZ and maybe it's better to pulse it. And yeah, it's just I mean, just again, just going back to your framework, just say no, let it ride, see where it goes, and you know, and and just and just go from there. But yeah, just GLP1's is just that's just the shiny penny that just it just you just can't get away from it. It's everyone's talking about it, and it just it's there, and and and I get it why people are talking about it because everyone's asking about it, right? And and that's the thing. And so if there's but it's also being advertised, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:54

So people are asking about it because we're advertising it.

A Simple Humming Breath Practice

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

Yeah. Yeah. And and and it has crazy results, right? I mean, there's I mean, you even see Weight Watchers pivoted from doing that, and now Weight Watcher is a GLP one company, which is in incredible. Yeah, so I I just saw I don't know, some ad and I was like, what? And then I did some research on to it, and that's their big pivot. But yeah, I mean, such is life. So Sandy, uh people are listening right now. What do you what would you like to see someone do differently this week? What like what's something that they can say no to, or what's some framework that you can send someone away with that they can get some um I don't know, some nuggets of advice or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Well, the one piece of advice I love to that I love to give is is ironically not something to subtract, but something to do. It it can do it in the car when you're driving, you can do it when you're alone in the shower. Um, very, very, very simple. Breathe in for five seconds and hum out for five seconds and do it three times. And that helps blood flow and heart coherence and the the overall signaling of the body. Um, so it's important to that we have that the everything has to flow well in order for us to reduce this signal to noise.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:28

Um the humming, it doesn't matter what note, it's just hum.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

The more nasally, the better. So when you if your nose is vibrating, you're producing more nitric oxide, and that's gonna help your blood flow better.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

And so I like to hum when I'm in the car and doing random things. You can hum to the music, it doesn't matter, just that nasal vibration is one of the best things you can do for your body.

Where To Find Sandy And Closing

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

That's cool. Yeah, that that is some advice that you don't hear very often, and yeah, and there's a lot of wisdom to that. I know there's a lot of ancient wisdom with that, you know, even just with the yogis and the om and stuff like that. Like there's a lot of um uh wisdom to that. So that's that's awesome. So, more about you. Where can people find more about you, your books, learn more about the edge summit that's coming up in New York? What were the dates for that? Where can people find out more?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

That's July 10th and 11th in New York City, and you can find everything about me at bioedgelongevity.com.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

So B I O E D G Edge.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

Yeah, easy for you to say.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

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