How To Restart Healing When Pain Won’t Quit

Pain can be a warning, but it can also be proof your body is still fighting to repair. I bring on Dr. Park to unpack chronic pain as a neurological phenomenon, why inflammation is sometimes part of healing, and how people get trapped chasing symptom relief while the root cause keeps simmering. We talk through the major pain patterns he sees in clinic, from back and neck issues to tendon injuries, nerve irritation, and the surprising ways the nervous system can “remember” pain through guarding and central sensitization.

Then we get practical about what’s worth your time and money. Dr. Park explains when surgery can truly solve a mechanical problem, why numbing strategies often fail long term, and how regenerative medicine aims to restart repair at the tissue level. We dig into PRP, stem cells, peptides, and a deep dive on exosome therapy, including how exosomes may work as tiny communication packets that deliver proteins and microRNA signals to nudge cells into a more regenerative state. We also cover the real-world recovery trap: when pain drops quickly, it’s easy to overdo it, but new collagen is still fragile.

We zoom out into longevity, too: telomeres, telomerase activation, TA65, and why senolytics can be a risky trade if you don’t have the stem cell capacity to replace what you clear. The thread that ties it all together is autonomy. With better questions, better research habits, and grounded basics like breathwork, sleep, movement, and nutrition, you can stop feeling stuck and start steering your own healing path.

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Transcript

Gratitude And Autonomy Cold Open

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Honestly, I I think I would focus on two things, which you know, I was on a panel yesterday or two days ago, and the biohacker said gratitude. I think it's important to be grateful. You don't really miss your health or your lack of pain until you get sick and start having pain. And I think that the second thing is people need to embrace a certain level of autonomy and control. Like a lot of people are like, Well, why didn't my doctor tell me, or why didn't I know this? Or, you know, they're sort of in this victim mode. But all in this day of AI and the internet, everyone has a very democratic access to information. Not everything works for everyone, foreseeable or effectiveness-wise, but it behooves you just to learn more, right? Like, just ideas are not a threat.

Show Setup And Medical Disclaimer

SPEAKER_00 0:46

This is the Longevity Loop Podcast, and I'm your host, Brent Wallace. In every episode, I bring you the leading voices in longevity, plus my own insights, to put the world's best strategies directly into your hands, making elite longevity strategies accessible to everyone, regardless of your background. So let's jump into the loop starting right now.

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SPEAKER_00 1:26

Longer from the expensive wellness theater, which we all know, what me and Dr. Park were just talking briefly right before we hit record. You know, as a uh there's a there's a lot of uh uh there's a lot of not great stuff out there, and so we're here to separate all the good stuff from the bad stuff, and you know, this is a little pineated, and it's totally cool. You know, that's what we're all about. Get opinions, get uh get some professionals on here, like Dr. Park that actually knows his stuff, and we'll go from there. So my name is Brent, and today we're gonna get into chronic pain. So I think a lot of us have either experienced chronic pain ourselves or known someone or been close to someone who's had that. So it's something that is debilitating to people. We know that, we've heard that. And so we're gonna talk about what may actually restart the healing process here today with Dr. Park. And so before we get into that conversation, though, I just want to do a quick medical disclaimer reminder before the internet diagnoses itself into the comments. I'm not a doctor. Dr. Park is a doctor, but please check with your own personal physician. This stuff is uh tailored precision medicine for a reason. It's not just general medical advice. All this stuff is so tailored to your specific case, uh, your genome, all of that stuff. So just don't uh take any advice we're doing. This is for entertainment pop purposes only. And so it's education, it's not personal medical advice, diagnosis, treatment, nothing here creates a clinic-patient relationship. So just remember that when you hear all the great stuff we're about to talk to. So, Dr. Park, welcome.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Thanks. Thanks for having me, Brad.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

So let's talk about pain for a second, because that's clearly one of your specialties. And what do people get wrong about us? People have been in pain. So if someone's been in pain, you know, for months, years, whatever it might classify as chronic pain, what are we getting so wrong about pain, what it is, and why it's still there?

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Right. Pain is a neurological phenomenon. It's usually a signal from the body that something is injured, right? So the Marine Corps likes to say pain is weakness leaving the body. It's probably not that simple. It's more like pain is, hey, watch it, buddy, you're about to tear something that's already marginal. So interestingly, you know, um, if you MRI people in their set, a lot of times their shoulder tendons, you know, their rotator cuffs are not even connected anymore. So what does that mean? It means it was completely ripped apart. Why doesn't that hurt anymore? Because it's not even trying to repair. So, in a lot of times, pain is the body's attempt to repair. But because of things that I talk about in all my books about stem cells and, you know, telomere erosion, the local stem cells have copied themselves so many times. They've tried, they've tried, but it's like photocopying something that's already damaged and blemished. It's not working. So if it's still trying, that's pain. If it's given up, that could be no pain, which is not necessarily a good thing. So, in general, we like to see people's pain go away. I do exosome treatments like on shoulders, hips, knees, things like that. And a lot of times the pain will go away rather quickly. But I always warn people don't exert it too much for a couple of months because the new collagen that's being formed is not strong. It's like wet cement. So a lot of times, or a few times, we have to warn people hey, don't do your personal best at 55 because the pain's gone away, but that's a weird artifact of what the exosomes are doing to make your cells regenerate. So pain is neither good nor bad, but chronic pain usually falls into categories which we know, you know, a lot of people have back problems. The majority of us will have back problems. I'm actually six days into a cervical spine problem I did from too many push-ups. So I caused like a whiplash, a military neck. And for the first time in my life, I know what ridiculopathy feels like. It's like a numbness going down the inside of my arm. So that's getting better slowly. I did some exosomes, I do some TA65. So um back pain is common. In other words, they get sciatica, the disc goes out of alignment, the whole spine goes out of alignment, causes pain, shooting down. So people don't realize these are all in nerve distributions, right? They're big maps that you can tell where the disc is slipped just by knowing where the numbness with the tingling is. There's also, you know, pain from headaches, there's tooth pain, obviously dental problems, tennis elbow, golfer's elbow pain. One of the kind of common pains, migraine headaches can be cyclical. Yeah, pain can come from anywhere, anytime, but probably people who are active exercise, their knees hurt. This is from inflammation. It's not always like an itis, like uh uh rheumatoid arthritis or gout or you know, something like that. A lot of time it's just the surfaces rubbing against each other and causing maybe water on the knee and a fusion. So pain is the body's reaction to tell you to slow down. Hey, we're about to be injured or we are injured.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

So it sounds like more of a signal that your body's like, hey, hey, cool the jets here, guy or girl. Yeah, and we'll we'll we need to heal this before you go any longer.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

In general, it's really because of inflammation a lot of times. So if you've ever heard of PRP, they'll take blood, they'll spin it down, inject it wherever, and it'll cause inflammation. They'll tell you don't take advil, don't take tyanol, because we want inflammation. And that's a biohack, and it brings in your stem cells, and your, in my case, 58-year-old stem cells will release 58-year-old exosomes. So it's not quite as good as the newborn ones we use to cause uh de differentiation and healing.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Got it. So I mean, I want to talk about exosomes later for sure. So let's bookmark that because that's a really important thing, especially with the healing process there. What I want to, you know, establish before we kind of get into too much of the treatment side of things is like you know, pain, where do you see the you know, people are probably telling themselves a story, like you said, like right? Like the people that have the separated uh, you know, shoulders. And since it's like the body's stopped trying to actually repair itself there, that that pain goes away, right? It's because it because it's like long term, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Like okay, if a seven-year-old said, Oh, my shoulder used to be painful, but now it's not for 10 years, MRI them, it might not even be connected anymore. In other words, there's no more inflammation because the body stopped trying.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Um and how much of that is a story that people are telling themselves about the pain that actually might miss what actually is going on, you know, because we hear a lot of stuff about pain. Yeah. Take an advil or whatever, you know, and that dulls it, but that's actually not that's just stopping the signal going to your brain, right? That's actually not stopping the signal.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Well, you're describing, you know, you could be referring to malingering, which is people with drug-seeking behavior, wanting pain medication. And that's not common. Usually people are in pain and it's real. But pain can be of various types. It could be the organ itself, like the shoulder joint is all gnarled up, it's arthritic, bone on bone with bone spurs. It could be referred pain. In other words, if you get like right upper quadrant pain, that could be a gallstone, gallbladder, or something like that. It could be uh nerve pain. So sciatica is a classic one, shooting down the buttocks and the back of the leg. That's a nerve being irritated. So it could be nerve, it could be referred from visceral organs, or it could be the joint or tendon itself.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Got it. So it could be about the damaged tissue, like you said. Is there anything else that would it could be something else though, too, right? It's not always just about the damaged tissue. It could be something if it lingers around.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Well, I mean, like on a meta-level, like some people have pain from like sexual trauma, so they can have painful intercourse, you know. A lot of times a childhood adverse event could cause some kind of body keeping the score thing. Even perhaps we gotta be open to past lives. If you had some weird, horrible thing in a past life, it might echo through into the present. But yeah, in general, it's not that difficult. If your elbow hurts, you probably have tendinitis. You know, if your older hurts, you probably have a rotator cuff or joint disease.

Ghost Pain And Central Sensitization

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I know I had an uncle that had some chronic lower back pain. And I remember he'd always go into surgeries, right? And then it'd kind of fix it for a while, then it'd come back because, you know, whatever was happening in his back. But he'd always talk about ghost pain. Like, you know, like even though the pain wasn't there, he'd still kind of feel it. What is that is that strictly psychosomatic, or is that something that the body is.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I mean, we have to be careful about psychosomatic. It implies that it's kind of imaginary. But yeah, like there was a book I've never read, but the body keeps the score. So, you know, kids who spend a lot of time in the hospital, they're very traumatized. So they do what's called guarding. Guarding just means I'm ready for something awful to happen because my body remembers my spirit, my nervous system. So yeah, in general, like you know, I do a lot of nasal injections for people. And the first one, the fear factor is so high because there's a dude in my nose with a needle. So I usually go less. And then once you remove it, they're like, okay, there is an end. And the second side doesn't hurt as much. So a lot of pain is due to what we call central sensitization. So it's the mind, the prefrontal cortex, the spirit is remembering something. So yeah, definitely pain is all perceived in a biochemical electrical way. And so there are like hacks that I just learned from a patient the other day. The reason why I'm pressing the nose when I do the nasal injection is that the pressure is is overrides the sharpness. And so it can kind of be transmitted faster. So we have a lot of tips and tricks, but yeah. Um, it's, you know, essentially electrical, it's real, but it is hugely mitigated, as you say, by your mental state.

Acute Vs Chronic Pain Labels

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Yeah. Yeah, that that's interesting. It is funny, right? When you said that, it's like, you know, you're pinching your nose. It kind of reminds me of like uh in the culinary world, you know, it's like put a lot of lemon juice on it to kind of get rid of the the spiciness or the su you know, and it's like something that you're like kind of changing things in the body to let it accept something else like there with that. So can you explain to me just in real s the most simplest terms? So we hear the two pain terms, at least that I recall that I hear the most, is acute and chronic. So what's the difference in the body once it changes from acute to chronic? Or what what's kind of the differentiation there of what would be like, hey, this is a chronic pain I have, or this is just acute pain that I have?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Yeah, I mean, these are just vague uh time signifiers. So if something is like I have acute pain over the last five, six days, if it lasts, at some point I can consider it chronic. So it's very subjective, it's whatever you want. But um, you know, probably there's not a lot of difference between the signals that are going through the nervous system to your brain. It's just chronic pain starts to create, you know, psychological overlays, suffering, a sort of a patient identity. It can, especially when mitigated with opioids, create secondary problems, psychological mood problems, sleep problems. Yeah. But it's just an arbitrary thing. Like what do you consider short time or long time?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Okay. So it seems like it's just an arbitrary scale where it will tip into chronic if it's something that doesn't seem like it's gonna go away anytime soon or acute, you probably expect to it's just very subjective.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

You could say, oh, chronic means more than a month, or I could say chronic is more than two weeks, or I could say chronic is more than two years. It's all context dependent, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Yeah, got it, got it. So you just touched on something there um that I was curious about. So you you you you kind of alluded to that the our nervous system learns pain, right? And then part of what you're talking about, especially in your books, is is that your body actually has to unlearn that, right? So even if you take the pain away, and and please correct me if I'm misunderstanding this here, but you know, the system learns pain, takes on the pain, and even if you remove the pain, we still have to unlearn this, correct? Yeah, I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

I would say it's more like, I mean, listen, if you put your hand on a stove five times and got burned five times, then the sixth time you get close to the stove, your brain's gonna be like, hey, whoa, watch it there. So it's just learning, it's adapt adaptive learning, right? But uh, I would say in most cases, unless you're talking about some psychological personality or malingering sort of drug seeking, pain is often real. And it's just a signal that something is injured, inflamed, or repairing. So we have to presume as doctors, good faith that people are usually who say they're in pain are in pain.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, I guess that makes it a pretty tough thing. I I don't know if you watched I forgot all those documentaries that just recently came out about the Sackler family and the Yeah, they pushed a lot of Purdue narcotics on us.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of it's a racket, a scam, just big pharma, military industrial, it's all the same money.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

And also the addiction part of it, right? So I mean that's real. Like if you're going to seek something for for your your ailment, and then you get something that's addicting, and then all of a sudden you do have that, you know, drug-addicting behavior and stuff, which is a a super scary prospect. I and I think that's always something that's kept me, you know, when I've gone to dental to get dental work or anything, you know, I've always stayed away from those because I'm super scared about like, no, no, I'd rather be in pain or keep on taking Advil or whatever and just manage the pain a little bit more than, you know, those those addiction things there's and and I think it makes it confusing for health conscious people, they're trying to fix their pain, right? Like you, you know, you don't want to put something in your body that necessarily won't benefit you, but then if you're in pain, you want to get out of that pain, right? So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Yeah, well, you know, I've only taken one Tylenol number three once in my life, but you know, it obviously if you become dependent and tolerant and you get withdrawal, then that starts to look like opioid addiction. And that's a secondary problem, right? Then you have drug seeking behavior, you have to come down, you have to get the fix. So yeah, a lot of Americans did kind of fall into that. And now in response, the regulatory agencies have mandatory opioid training. But yeah, you can spot drug seeking people a mile away. And it's sad because you know, they're just drug addicts. You need they need a fix. It's not that easy to get out of that.

Fix The Cause Not The Symptom

SPEAKER_00 15:51

So yeah, it's a it's a bummer for sure. So when someone does start improving their pain, what's do you see different behaviors about how people are approaching it to fix it? Or or I guess maybe another way to say it is or just a different slightly different way to say it is like, are people wasting their money, or what are people wasting their money on when they're trying to fix chronic pain? So if you have it, like what's some things that are worthwhile and what things are just total, total rubbish, you know? I mean, like we talked about again.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Right. Well, you know, it's a lot of times if there is a surgical cure, like let's say you have a nasty bone spur that's like sawing into your supraspinatus tendon, then a surgery is great because you no longer have that bone spur gnawing away and cutting your tendon. Likewise, if you have a terrible back misalignment and they can do Harrington rods, great, but you know, that is a Faustian bargain because you're reducing the mobility and setting up for multi-disc disease above and below the fixation. So sometimes surgery, but I think in general, you know, pain oftentimes is musculoskeletal, so like tennis elbow, torrent rotator. And now that we have regenerative technologies like, you know, stem cells, maybe PRP, maybe exosomes that can cure the problem, it's better to cure the problem than address the pain, right? Like I never understood why people would put lidocaine to test and see if a trigger point gets better. Well, it gets better, but then where are you 40 minutes later? You're still out of pain. So the body is screaming out for help. And so just covering up the symptoms with, you know, relaxants or pain medication or, you know, this horrible one, GABA pentin, that's not the key. If you can do something to mitigate the origin, right? The pro the offending organ, then do that.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Yeah. So what do good clinicians look for that most people might never think about? You know, they're gonna come in to someone such as yourself who's good at this. What are you looking for that other doctors or clinics might be missing?

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Well, you know, AI is much better at diagnosing stuff than we are, but AI can't read intuition. You know, it's like that old House MD show. People lie and they don't even know they're lying. So it's helpful to have experience with liars. So I guess my point is if I tell you, oh, I have neck pain, AI might say, oh, this is that, and the other. It might not say, well, what started it? How long has it come? Is it constant? Is it intermittent? What triggers it? What makes it better? The diagnosis is almost always in speaking to somebody and getting a clear history. A lot of times they can be confabulating and misunderstanding. So the thing that humans sometimes do well if they're listening is using intuition to get at what the key factors are, right? Because, like me, maybe I did the push-ups and that caused a problem. Or maybe, you know, I was born breached and someone ripped my head out and I have misalignment from birth. You know, all that's very different. So getting at the history, the time course, does it come and go, what makes it better and worse, that really helps your diagnosis.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

So it sounds like just taking a little bit more human approach to it and spending time with that.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Yeah, yeah. Cause the the time sequence is super important, right? Like I'm getting in a car accident tomorrow, that's not going to cause pain today. So you got to get the order of what happens and when it happens.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Got it. So in your clinic there, um LA, what patterns do you see over and over with people you've been dealing with for years? I mean, obviously, like you said, there's the human aspect of it that you're very much dealing with. What what are the patterns that are really common that that you know, like I would imagine you see people consistently over the years, right? I mean, you're solving their plane, but they're like, hey, Dr. Park was awesome at this. I'm gonna come back because you know I have a blown out knee from doing America. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Like I got a guy coming in Thursday, he's like six foot three, two forty, hockey player, 50 years old. I mean, 50-year-olds should not be playing hockey. It's a high impact force thing, right? So this dude's torn off his pec major, he's gotten rotator cuff stuff. So, what I've seen to answer your question is that a lot of people in their 50s, because of their understanding of who they are as a person, you know, I'm a beautiful, active, healthy uh person. They don't give it up. They don't hang up their hockey skates, you know, they don't hang up their yoga leotard, and they keep on pushing. And that's okay. You're gonna get injured. So a lot of times, the majority of my patients are repeat customers. So you help their left knee, they're like, hey, next time you're in town, do my right hip. So it's like whack-a-mole. I just apply the spackle, and oftentimes your body responds and you keep on going. I just got off the phone with a 50-year-old motocross guy. He hit a pothole while he was touring. I mean, that's not something that 50-year-olds do, but these days, like they go kite surfing, they, you know, jump out of airplanes. So we're just helping these uh Gen Xers and boomers stay active according to their fantasy.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it it is funny that, you know, it seems like every decade I get older, it's like 30 is the new, or 40 is the new 30, and now 50 is the new 40, you know, and I think there's some truth to that because I, you know, because obviously there's technology and and you know, even like hormone therapies and stuff that can keep you there, but there's also things that are going to be falling apart in your body, and much of that I feel is like your ability to heal and recover. And I'm sure that's something that you deal with because, like you said, with the exomes, it's like it's like wet cement. Take your time, let it set. Don't try to go set some PRs on whatever. You know, you gotta you gotta really allow time for recovery, rest, rejuvenation like that. So when patients come and see you, I can imagine they're really relieved to find out that you understand their pain and their situations. So what are things that people are maybe trying to typically try too late in the process and maybe things that they obsess over too early with when it comes to, say, a repetitive stress injury? You know, because it seems like we're talking a little bit about athletes here, you know, the motocrosser, the ice hockey player, you know, the These these people that are just like trying to get the most out of their body. What are some signals that they might be getting like that they're trying too late to diagnose or fix? Or maybe some things that they're obsessing about just too early, of like, oh man, that might be like something, you know, my knees click in, or I mean, I don't know what it might be, but in your experience, what what have you seen?

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Well, I mean, I think people are largely in denial. When they look in the mirror, they see an 18-year-old, even if they're 80. And so up until this point, we don't have great hacks for the gradual stem cell deterioration from telomere erosion and attrition. I just did last week a podcast about what causes aging, and so I've written books about that. But essentially, people are kind of in denial. So you wouldn't expect Pele or, you know, Meradonna, I don't even know if he's alive, to be like taking the penalty kick. It's just like this is a fundamental truism of being human at this time, is that your body's gonna have problems if you try and act like an 18-year-old. But you know, if you do it on a low-level weekend warrior, you recover, eat well, good supplements. As long as you're cognizant of the fact that you're not 18 anymore, then you'll be okay. We can patch you up, put you back out in the field. You know, but it's it's not the body wants to do what it thought it was doing when it was young. I mean, some of the injuries I've had, and I had to revise my aftercare. I had one famous actor, he was playing beach volleyball. His knees felt so good. And he, three hours of beach volleyball at 53 is not a great thing, right? And another guy, he 56, uh, he said, Oh, Doc, my I feel like I have 18-year-old shoulders. And then next thing I know, you know, he hurt his other shoulder because he did his personal best, you know, in bench pressing. I'm like, you gotta, you know, be reasonable about what your body can do because it's all accumulated damage, isn't it? I mean, even the weightlifters, the bodybuilders, you gotta realize that those muscles attach by tendons and ligaments to bone. And if you're still like the incredible Hulk, guess what? That connection of that muscle to the bone could just tear right off one day. And you were like, whoa, I'm so strong. How did that happen? Well, you're applying, you know, forces that you could have done 20 years ago to tiny little attachments to bone. The math is not mathing. You don't expect to drive 180,000 miles on tires and have the same tires, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:20

That's funny you mentioned that. I was just thinking in my mind, I'm like, it's just like a car with like new tires or something. It's like, hey, it's the ball joints that are like you know, gonna give you issues. It's not, yeah, you got some great rubber there, but at the same time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

I mean, luckily the body's better than a car because it actually has stem cells that do actually regrow every organ in our body. Does it always keep up? No, especially in times of accelerated damage, but there's just that fundamental grind of aging, right? I always consider the drying machine, right? The lint trap. Have you ever done a laundry and there hasn't been lint in the lint trap? So just say, like if you keep on washing your stuff until the end of time, there's not going to be any more sheets eventually, right? That's just the logic.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah. Yeah, it totally makes sense. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm shocked at learning lint trap sometimes. Like, where did all this come from? But yeah, it's coming from.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

I know it looks like your sheets are the same, but they're not. There's that much lint minus your sheets, right?

Exosomes In Practice For Healing

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Right. Yeah, that'd be that'd be a funny thing. You weigh your lint and weigh your sheets and see how light they get if they do that. I'm guessing they're pretty equivalent. Yeah. So let's talk about your clinic. What kind of patient do you feel especially best at helping? I mean, because you obviously do more than just pain here. You you're your partly longevity clinic, which how you got on my radar, or and vice versa, you know, because the longevity angle, which is what I love talking about. You've got the pain angle, and you've talked about exomes, which is also a huge longevity component, with, you know, just like helping your body do that. What kind of patients do you feel best helping?

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Well, you know, I was just at a conference this weekend, right? And there's this great manufacturer of exosomes. There's another one I know she white labels for exosomes, and they charge so much money. Uh, but at the end of the day, they're smart. Like I'm dumb. I'll just charge a tiny margin and I'll do multiple areas. So I like to think I've always run nonprofits with my businesses, you know, not on purpose, but you know, I just don't like overcharging. And I have like literally four billionaire patients and they pay the same as Joe Schmo, right? And sometimes they even stiff me, which is very bad. So I need to start charging beforehand. But yeah, um, I would say the main thing is that if people they'll sometimes, I know a buddy of mine gets a uh like$90,000 check to take care of you for a year, and he might put out like$30,000 of product to help you, right? This subscription base. Now, I've only had long-term patients like my mom is like whack-a-mold spackle. She's gotten 44 treatments, but it's wherever something hurts, you know, we treat it and it usually goes away. One time, this wacky biohacker, he's like 80 now, he just wanted a high dose every month. So over the course of two and a half years, he did like 20 treatments. And to be honest, he got younger because even though he was feeling fine, he just kept with the program. And in the last exam, and I talk about this in my podcast, Recharge Biomedical, uh, just about three weeks ago. There's one actress, she was in the killer's video, Mr. Brightside, Miss Atomic Bomb, and starred in Coyote Ugly. She, I met her not even two years ago, and she got like 14 treatments over 18 months, started menstruating after eight years of menopause, which is crazy. Yeah. And then her vascular system totally revamped. When she took baths, she used to get a headache because of poor circulation. We couldn't even stick her. And now she started a new romantic relationship. She's starring on dances with the stars, and she's living her best life despite huge personal stresses. And I just feel like she got at least eight years younger. So if people were willing to commit, which nobody is, even the billionaires, if you were to do a high dose every month for like a year, it might cost you 70,000 or something. But, you know, you do get changes that you wouldn't expect just from trying to knock out a knee pain or shoulder pain. Yeah, that's easy. But if you're really trying to get younger, then very few people commit to chronic high dose exosomes. And high dose is very relative. I mean, what we give you is like a drop in the bucket, like literally a drop in a giant bathtub. But it moves the needle a lot of times.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Yeah, so is there any downside to that? I mean, that sounds I mean, especially if money were no object, that sounds like something too good to be true.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Uh I mean, there's theoretical risk of cancer, so we never give it to people with cancer because a rising tide lifts all boats. And it's a little toxic to your bank account, but if you know you got multiple yachts in Dubai or whatever, I you probably should try it. Uh the downside is you have to pay more taxes because you live longer, you know. That's a thing. Yeah. But no, I I think it's relatively safe. You know, like my 80-year-old guy, he hadn't had an erection in six years, and we did like multiple, like 15 penis injections. Now he's got strong erections. And more impressively, his body is repigmenting. So his hair from his legs up to his scalp is turning black at the roots. So he thinks that's prima facie evidence of getting younger, but you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 29:15

Wow, that's pretty incredible. And it's just those local injections that are having those whole body effects on him.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

No, we do IV nasal. So, you know, his brain sharp, uh, that goes to the brain. I just did a nasal shot on Saturday because I was feeling a little bit sluggish and anxious. So that's one of our more popular things. It it balls up the olfactory nerves that gets into the brain. That's something that I know you know, Dave Asprey, he's gotten a few of those. He really likes it. So Yeah.

Exosomes Explained: Immunity And Repair

SPEAKER_00 29:42

That's super cool. So, what what do you think people misunderstand about, you know, you you hear a lot about PRP. You're starting to hear a lot more about exomes. There was uh NK exomes that I've just heard about recently, the natural killer uh exomes that are supposed to be really good with, you know, like you referred to cancer, could be a a potential side effect, but supposedly these ramp up your natural killer cells and actually help with cancers or people with cancers.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

So let's disambiguate that a little bit. Uh not to be an AI, but so people don't realize that your main defense against cancer is cell suicide, right? So when the chromosome number is bad, the cell will kill itself. Okay. But then downstream of that, we have the immune system. So we've known since the AIDS epidemic that when people's immune system is bad, they'll get rare cancers. But that generalizes to all of us. So part of the reason why older people get more cancer is because their immune system no longer functions. So as we get through, as I talked about last week's webinar, the oldest recent woman, well, there's a Japanese 119, but this 160-year-old woman only had two types of T cells to fight new threats, new threats being virus, cancer, whatever. You and I probably have 10,000 blank keys to attack new threats. So in the immune system, when you get a cancer, your immune system can sometimes recognize that and destroy it. That's active immunity. That's cytotoxic T cells, CAR T or chimeric antigen receptor T cells, right? People pay a lot of money and it doesn't kind of really work that well. The NK is natural killer, that's just like it sounds. It naturally kills cancer. How? We don't know. Gene rearrangement and specific targeting is maybe less of a factor. So what you're suggesting, and I think it's probably true, is that you have natural killer cells, and whatever they're secreting is part of the formula to destroy, generally speaking, cancers. So I have not seen or used exosomes from natural killers, but there's no reason why that wouldn't work. So what we just learned only 20 something years ago was that what was coming out of cells, this little tiny invisible bubbles, 100 nanometer, wasn't poop, it was actually communication. So now they're trying to learn how cells communicate with these invisible bubbles. And the answer is a lot of, you know, proteins, mRNA, but a lot of microRNA, which are blockers of mRNA. So anyway, the field is kind of young, but they're learning, and um, yeah, it turns out that what they thought was poop was actually the cell's meaningful communication. And this is true for all plants and all animals.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

That's crazy. Yeah, because my understanding of it is, you know, and very rudimentary, but that's how those exomes work. It's actually the communication that's facilitating, not necessarily you're injecting something into the body that actually is healing the body, it's actually injecting communication. Right. Which is why along those.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, which is why I was on a panel with a biohacker and they were asking about supplements. The problem with the supplement argument is that it has to be absorbed past the gastric acid and into the intestines, and there's you get a loss of payload or yield, right? So just because you're taking something by mouth doesn't mean so people inject, but then it has to get through the bloodstream and go to the cells of target or desire. So at the end of the day, we're just a collection of trillions of cells, and the cells are communicating, they're doing their thing, they're interacting. So if you can mitigate cell behavior, that's a little more efficient because you don't have to absorb and distribute. And so if you see on the cover of my book, you can see the exosome, which is literally invisible. When I melt a bile, there's it should be clear. If it's not, I know something's above 200 nanometers. We think it docks with the target cell and releases these notes. That's why I call the analogy songs of healing. So if you do an analysis, there's mRNA, there's microRNA. And I think a lot of what we're doing is microRNA, which is a very short 22 base pair sequence, which gums up the expression of certain messenger RNAs. So stay with me. Like most of your cells are adult, mature, not acting primitive. So if you block that for a short time, they can act primitive and be more stem-like and regenerate. And I think that's how a lot of the nature has intended our repair system to work. We don't leave it on all the time because we don't want to grow to be huge and, you know, um, like a giant jellyfish in the sea, if you will. So everything is kind of kept adult and limited. But for a short time, the body has this hack where it'll get the inflammation, send the stem cells, secrete the exosomes, and then the local cells in your tendons or cartilage will act younger and regenerate. And that's how we think it's working.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

So I know there's a lot of talk, especially longevity circles, about synolytic protocols, right? So taking fistin, spermidine, stuff like that. How does that complement, or is that different, or is that along the same lines of what it's like? I'm glad you asked that.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

I'm glad you asked that. So I write about in the books the three Hindu gods, they have trimurti, three forms, Shiva, destroyer. That's a senolytic, right? Like a cell dying or being killed. Vishnu, which is the maintainer, that's like the telomerase activator I've taken for 18 years. It keeps the stem cells from aging by turning on the reverse transcriptase telomerase and keeping the stem cells long in their telomeres. And then Brahma, which is the creator god. So we all come from one fertilized egg. All our cells all come from that one fertilized egg. Stem cells are Brahma, the creator. So I think the real hack is in the latter two. Senalytics, you know, I've taken FOXO4 DRI, but basically, synolytics are a Faustian bargain, right? So if you kill something, do you have something to replace it with that's just as good or better? Perhaps not as you get older. You know, if you have a lot of, I'll never forget this one billionaire patient of mine, he had Boy in the bubble syndrome as a one-year-old. He was literally in a bubble, had combined immune deficiency. And so as a 30-year-old, he came to see me and his telomeres measured like a septigenarian. We gave him the TA65, and then he came back to like a 20-year-old. So he had just gotten a lot of his immune system, his T cells were stuck in that age thing that he had suffered as a one-year-old. And as a result, the system was acting like an old person. He got a lot of colds and flus. But we were able to scrub that, but luckily he was young enough that his stem cells could replenish a younger version of an immune system. But if you're talking about this Dutch lady, 116, and you wipe out with senolysis her only two cells, she got no immune system. So the real hack is not going to be in senolysis, because that's always a Faustian bargain. It's going to be in stem cell banking and learning how to differentiate them. So my 25-year-old old and I went to Costa Rica. I gave a lecture in their stem cell clinic, and he's seriously thinking of investing his money to bank his 25-year-old stem cells. Because in, you know, 30, 40 years, if he needs a kidney, God forbid, or whatever, then because stem cells from yourself are largely similar, if not identical, it doesn't have that organ rejection thing, which is something that people don't understand about stem cells. If you fly to Costa Rica or Panama and you get someone else's stem cells, your body will likely destroy them in two or three days. During those two or three days, they'll secrete a lot of great exosomes. To my way of thinking, why even bother with this immune incompatibility? Just get non-immunogenic exosomes from a newborn baby. Because they're so small and they don't have these proteins that identify you from me. So you think you're healing like a newborn baby again.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Yeah, it seems like exomes is like the definitely the next step in that evolution of healing versus PRP or or stem cells or stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

And they all work by the same final common pathway, which is the exosomes.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Yeah. So I've I've heard you mention TA65 a couple times. You said in that second stage of that, and that has to do with telomeres. What is TA65 for those that might not have heard of that before?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

Yeah, yeah. So on, you know, a year or two before that, I had learned about telamerics. I wanted to know why people age. So I wrote a science fiction graphic novel screenplay. And then a year later, 777, like the slot machine, they came out with this product, TA65, which I've taken for 18 years. No other supplements. So it's really kept the reading glasses away. I could read this close. Dr. Park's book offers a clear and friendly account. So at 58, almost 59, I should have reading glasses, but it's kept the stem cells that make the the lens soft. So the stem cells have stayed around. Like we I have a little bald, bald spot which I need to eject, but it's all pretty black. I got some snow coming up here. So I think that is really why I've stayed uh relatively younger. So it's basically a single molecule from a Chinese longevity herb. They probably modify it. It's obfuscating the patent, but it's something that people have taken. You know, hundreds of thousands of people, I've taken it for 18 years. I think it helps. Not cheap. There are generic versions on Amazon. I'm not sure about the bioavailability of it, but I do think that's a good one for the vision, for the maintenance of your stem cells.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Yeah, I remember the first time that came across my radar. There, I forget his name, but he's the guy from Detroit that always competes with Brian Johnson and the rejuvenation of Olympics. Yeah. I can't forget, I forget his name, but you know, he but that's one of the his secrets. You know, he's like, I eat cheeseburgers, whatever, and I'm beating this guy that's spending millions of dollars on a good one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

I mean, that's how I met Dave Asper. He asked me like 15 years ago, hey, is this stuff legit? And then he took it and they did the generic for a while. So yeah, I think it is legit.

TA65, Medical Dogma, Independent Thinking

SPEAKER_00 39:21

That's cool. Yeah, I mean, I've I've I've heard I've I've never taken it myself, but I've definitely heard about it. So, Dr. Park, how are most people finding you today in your clinic? What what brings them to you for the first time? Is it just hearing yourself on podcasts or they find you like putting like best doctor in Los Angeles?

SPEAKER_01 39:39

I don't pay to play for those best doctor magazines. No, um, most of our friends and family of people we've treated and helped, that's the primary source. But uh some people subscribe to the YouTube channel, and uh, this is the one year anniversary of my podcast. In 52 weeks, we've done 45 episodes. So we do like a kind of a functional medicine thing. So we talk about like, you know, autism, Alzheimer's, EMF poisoning, gut dysbiosis. So a lot of the fringe topics that as doctors and as patients, we are not getting a lot of from the mainstream medical profession. So that's been kind of my mission over the last year, and that continues to expand. We'll be doing biological dentistry next week, I think.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

And very cool.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

Medicinal psychedelic mushrooms. We'll talk about that with an expert.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Also, very cool. Yeah, we've dealt with uh a lot of the psychedelic stuff uh with Spanner. That we've talked about that quite a bit, which is super, super interesting. And then also just uh with the biologic dentist, too. Like uh, I've been seeing a biological dentist for a few years, and it's amazing how thorough and different an experience that is to uh to go through.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

No, I have a lot of respect for them because basically, you know, like um everything that they were taught as dogma is kind of up for question now, like from fluoride all the way down to root canal. And it's hard to hold space with you know, ideas that like maybe we are just drug pushers for big pharma. We're not preventing disease. So that's why I really like regenerative medicine because it takes the focus off, you know, just pushing more and more drugs into like trying to get at the root cause.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah, yeah. I saw a dentist from Germany, his name is Dr. Dome, that's his nickname. I forget his actual name, but yeah, I mean, he's he's kind of someone that's really addressing that and helping train a lot of dentists. But I feel with just with all medicine, you know, like like you said, there's so much dogma, and then the big pharmaceutical industrial complex that is doing all this, and not to say that there's not some good to it, but it's also keeps people stuck in the dark ages, I feel like it's a lot of times because they are it takes a lot of courage to deviate from your profession and be an outlier.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Like this week's podcast is Dr. Armin, whose son is profoundly autistic from age two. So over the last 15 years, he's had to unlearn and learn other things about autism. And, you know, for the mind to hold the uh dissonance that vaccines can sometimes injure, but there may be a benefit, a lot of people collapse under the cognitive dissonance, you know? But we have to be open-minded about a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yeah, I mean, open-mindedness, courageousness, like you said, and then also the thing that's probably scary for a lot of practitioners, clinics, doctors is that if you're not doing everything just to the exact order of the CDC, opening yourself up to liability, which is probably one of the most scary things.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah, I mean, listen, you get out of bed, you break 18 laws, you're a criminal. You know? Like uh, I met this woman last year, such a twit. She was happy and bragging about how the fact she was the one who came up with the six-foot social distancing. She was at the CDC. God. And I go, well, what what research? What was that based on? She goes, Well, I saw a Twitter post. So literally, your public policy came from some dimwit who just retweeted something. So I mean, this profoundly affected children and social skills and connectivity. So this is the level. I mean, in California, we had AB 2098, which was uh COVID disinformation law, two poorly worded paragraphs saying any doctor that spreads COVID disinformation is subject to review, you know. And so that's hugely fascistic. But most of the people who use the word fascist are the most fascist of all. And they're just like, believe what I believe, otherwise, you're a threat to my uh mental health. So it was tough. It was tough. I mean, there was one guy who was a total idiot. Uh, this Indian epidemiologist from Stanford, I remember thinking, man, you got a death wish out there. And now, years later, he's head of health and human services. It's very rare that people will put their neck out to say what they think is the truth. But to tell a doctor that you can't even advise your patient anything against a corporation's will is nuts.

unknown 43:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

So luckily, the Supreme Court of California rescinded that. But it This is scaring time.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

I remember that that even that misinformation turned into malinformation, which is like information that's true but not helpful for the zipper, whatever you're like, this is bonkers. Like, really, you came to think it's really bad.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

I mean, yeah, it's very bad. Like, doctors who were advising the COVID vaccines, I doubt any of them bothered to look at the safety data. And I remember as an OBGYN, when I saw that the American College of OBGYN took$4 million to recommend it for all pregnant women, I was like, livid. I can't believe we don't even give aspirin, let alone like zofran to pregnant women. And to do an experimental vaccine, and it's just really nuts.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Yeah, it is a really crazy time. And it's just a crazy time for, I mean, that's the whole thing about the longevity thing, is like it's it's it's clearly medicine that is helping people. There's just no way, shape, or form, that you can deny that. Same thing with peptides or all these things, but since it's not like this FDA umbrella approval or the CDC doesn't recommend it, it's just poo-pooed, and you're just like, this is crazy. This is not how it should be. And it's just and it's just a real shame. But touching on, you know, what is something that you're doing that you're explaining to people that still feels harder than it should be when you when you're explaining something to someone like a lot of times it's really hard to wrap, you know, someone who's not in it, like me and you, day to day, it's really hard for some people that want to improve their health, but to really wrap their head around like, wait, wait, like metformin? Or I mean, just as an example, but there's just so many things that are used off label or quote unquote experimental, like, you know, like exomes, for instance, you know, is like it's still like something that's considered, you know, it's not covered by insurances that I know of yet. So what part of explaining these things feels harder than it should be to people coming in your door?

SPEAKER_01 45:55

No, I think people are smart and they're curious and they're critical thinkers. The problem is that we have two big, big ideas. One is that aging is part of the system, it's a feature, it's not a bug, right? And the second is everything has a certain placebo effect. So if you believe something's gonna help you, it 20 to 30 percent, it will help you, which means that our consciousness, our state of mind, our expectations can create reality to a huge extent. But to answer your question about what's difficult, people don't really get that we're made up of cells. That's really, in my opinion, and I could be wrong, the core engine of aging, of health. So we're not really in charge. We're just like the home to these colonies of cells that are conspiring to keep us healthy or not healthy. And that's really the realization from a lot of these, you know, tens and tens of thousands of studies. Exosomes from somebody with liver cirrhosis that's getting better, it can help somebody with liver cirrhosis that's not. And if you get exosomes from somebody who has breast cancer, it can cause pre-cancer of the breast in another person's. There's all kinds of signals that are good and bad that we can't really even understand. It's like, it's like there's songs of healing or disease, but we have no ears. So, how are we going to understand the music? I do think it's largely cellular based. That's my intuition, that's my theory. So a lot of times people think, well, it's down to my genes or my lifestyle, or it's probably not, unless you have a double gene deletion or, you know, serious heterozygous gene deletion. So all these things that people are doing might help a little bit. You're measuring this, that, and the other. I was on a panel with a biohacker. He measures everything all the time and he's got a whoop, he's got an aura ring and a third one. And he says, Oh, they all disagree with each other. I'm like, yeah, that's that's how it works. So at the end of the day, if you're above ground and you're not in pain and you're relatively happy, that's a state of of bliss. Like you're lucky because a lot of people, like you said, are in chronic pain. You know, good news, bad news, we can mitigate a lot of the chronic pain by tricking these cells into getting younger and and repairing.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Yeah, that's cool. That's really cool. Yeah, that's a good way to to to talk about it. You know, it's like, hey, if you're you're above ground and happy, that's that's a lot of a lot of the battle there. Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

I mean, look what's going on in Tehran in Israel. I mean, people looking at like no running water, no toilets, no electricity. Like, that's real. And somehow we sleepwalk backwards into this delusion by believing what the government had to say on all sides. These people are on autopilot, they're not making good decisions. It's pretty bad. I'd hate to be on Tel Aviv tonight. Yeah, Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

Yeah, I feel like there's these things, it's like, why can't we keep the whole world healthy and happy? It seems like that'd be a lot easier than keeping everyone in a state of misery and shock and all that.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

But because they're stuck in this story, right? It's like this we have the story, we have this plan, we gotta see the plan through. Like, and that's weird flirtation with eschatology or at the end times, you know, prophecy. I mean, it's kind of nutty to be honest. But if you're locked into a mission for your whole life, it's kind of hard to give it up, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess that's just like coming, you know, like you just mentioned, stuck, you know, if you're stuck in that story or or that's just like reoccurring. I mean, it I mean, again, like just bringing it back to the pain is like if someone's stuck in their health story, it it's it's it's a lot of the same, right? So, like can be. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

I mean, I find psychiatry interesting because like, you know, people, a podcast host asked me, where would I go back to if I go back, like you know, Marty McFly or whatever. And I said, I'd go back to 10 months. And they're like, How do you even remember 10 months? I'm like, I don't, but I have some understanding of what happened. But like, that's what makes the human experience so fun, too. It's like all this perceived trauma, we're invited to alchemize it from lead weighing us down into gold, you know, something universally true. So that's kind of what's interesting, you know. Maybe Ethan Hawk was waxing on the Colbert show about life after death. Maybe he was right. Like maybe we're just projections of some larger intelligence playing with itself and experiencing itself. So maybe we don't die. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

But yeah, I like Ethan Hawk. I I heard an interview with him, not on Colbert, but he he he's a cool dude. He seems like a really cool guy. So what do you think? Is it so is it the right interventions that we're giving to people, or is it just changing how the system is responding, or maybe a little bit of both there to get people to do that?

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Honestly, I mean, 50 years from now, I hope instead of funding drones and missiles, they'll be funding like people to freeze their placenas when they're born. Because that's a source of genetically compatible replacement organs. I think that should be a human right. And then I go to these conferences for stem cells and exosomes. Scientists are getting so good at differentiating and understanding the ecology at a superficial level. So, like, there was a guy I met in in um Hong Kong who cured diabetes. Seven out of seven. He just took a cell, dedifferentiated, made it into a pancreatic cell, and put it in the rectus sheath. And it cured seven out of seven people. And their ability to make specific organ types is just it's crazy. They're literally playing God. They can make sperm and eggs without you donating sperm or ovulating. It's crazy. So, yeah, there's a lot of really cool things you can do, bespoke cancer vaccines. They can figure out what genes are missing in your cancer and replace them. Like, this is all better use of our money than bombing each other into the stone age, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 51:39

I can be wrong. Well, even just like some of the stuff coming out with like the eye sight interjections where they put the virus into your eye and then, you know, and and then and then stick it. What is it? I don't know exactly the mechanism, but no, you gotta be careful though.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Whenever you're doing genetic engineering, you gotta be a little careful because it's always inadvertent downstream consequences, you know. So I like to trust as much as I can the existing system.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

So, Dr. Park, I'm gonna try something new here on this episode today. So we're just gonna do a quick pattern interrupt, no nuance, just for about 60 seconds. So the answers are needle mover, overhyped, or needs more context. And I'm just gonna say a couple things. Peptides for pain, needle mover, overhyped, or needs more context? Needle mover. Okay. What about stem cells and regenerative interjections?

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Also needle mover.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

And what having said that, you need context because you don't know how viable the uh stem cells are when you thaw them. They can all be dead depending on the handling.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

Right. The quality, the quality matters here. We'll just assume that all these things are high quality, because same thing with the pet peptides, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Like you can get some bunk peptides out there, you know, that are just like Yeah, I mean, it's not that easy, it's not that hard to manufacture, but it's like a stepwise thing. It's really interesting. I interviewed Adam Bender, who makes them, so you can learn more about them.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Cool. Adam Bend Bender, what what company is he from?

SPEAKER_01 53:03

I forget the name of it, but he's been doing it for a while. Yeah, so go to the recharge biomedical podcast on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Okay, cool. Yeah, we'll make sure to check out that. And then just last one stretching more mobility routines.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

That's great. That's the best. I wish I could do my yoga right now. I'm just my neck is kind of yeah, that's the best. You gotta stretch it. Yoga, tai chi, so good.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

Oh man, I've been doing qigong for the last like six, seven months. Amazing. Um, you know, obviously similar similar to Tai Chi, and yeah, it helps. And then yeah, just this morning I felt a little tightness in my chest. I got out my foam roller and just kind of did this for about eight minutes. And I was just like, oh man, I feel so good.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Yeah, it's a privilege to be alive, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Um, so let's land the plane here. We've we've spent some time, covered some really cool subjects here, and I really appreciate your time, Dr. Parge. So if someone's listening to this right now and realizing they might be stuck in a loop, what's a smarter next conversation they should be having with their either PCP, you know, primary care physician, or if they're lucky enough, fortunate enough to have a doctor such as yourself or longevity provider out there, what kind of conversation should we have?

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Honestly, I I think I would focus on two things, which, you know, I was on a panel yesterday or two days ago, and the biohacker said gratitude. I think it's important to be grateful. You don't really miss your health or your lack of pain until you get sick and start having pain. And I think that the second thing is people need to embrace a certain level of autonomy and control. Like a lot of people are like, well, why didn't my doctor tell me, or why didn't I know this? Or, you know, they're sort of in this victim mode. But all in this day of AI and the internet, everyone has a very democratic access to information. And not everything works for everyone, placebo or effectiveness-wise, but it behooves you just to learn more, right? Like, just ideas are not a threat. So, yeah, keep your mind open. If you want to learn some free hacks, Hayhouse paid me to write this book. So, in this, I compare good health to like a six-cylinder engine. So, there's hacks that are evidence-based to increase telamerase activity, you know, in your movement, like you're doing qigong, your diet, what works in terms of Mediterranean, even breathing exercises, sleek mindset. This this is all free. And you can learn to be a biohacker at a core fundamental level. I think it's so much better rather than teaching algebra or US state capitals, they should teach kids how to sleep and eat and breathe. Well, they don't. They're just breeding consumers, you know?

SPEAKER_00 55:50

Yeah, with my five-year-old, I've been trying to teach him to breathe. We call it the snake breath, you know, like breathe in and then, you know, like to, you know, just make it fun for kids there.

SPEAKER_01 55:58

Oh my God, breath work is like the infinite hack and nobody teaches it, nobody knows it. I mean, it's something we do all day, every day, and yet who does it consciously, you know?

SPEAKER_00 56:07

Well, it's just like that thing is like, you know, you get frustrated in traffic or if you're playing soccer, you miss a goal or whatever, and it's just like if you just have the consciousness and presence from that practice to remember to breathe in that moment of like, you know, it's just like there you go. You know, it's it's just way to go. So for someone that might not be LA based, I mean, do you do telemedicine or are you just local?

SPEAKER_01 56:34

I mean, I licenses in uh Texas, Utah, New York, Florida, and Hawaii also. So I do get around quite a bit. So I'm sure there's somewhere that a US-based person could meet me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

So if people don't have access to someone like you, what questions, what questions do you think they should be asking their clinicians to know that they're in the right place to get the type of medicine that they No, I mean their doctor is not gonna know anything.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

They're just busy. So it's really like I said, you gotta be a quarterback, you gotta aggregate way, vet the information on your own. And yeah, not everyone's gonna have peptide benefits or H spot benefits, and not even you don't even need that. But I just bring it back to gratitude. Like if you're even in a place where you're pain-free and you're living your life and maybe you have some worries and anxieties, but that's a pretty good state of health, actually. It could be much worse. And you know, one of my good friends is having a struggle with cancer and she has a fentanyl patch max dose. I mean, these are real problems that people have, you know, chronic pain in that form without a clear path to resolution. Believe me, it could be much better. It could be, I mean, it could be much worse. So people should just be very abundant and appreciative, you know.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

Yeah. Well, I mean, just like you said, it's like it could be much better, but it could also be much worse. You know, both things can be true at the same time, you know. And we always, you know, hold that. But but I think what you're saying is be grateful for what we have in the moment now, and that's really the most important thing that we can do, you know, even if if you do have a bum knee or whatever, it's still like, you know, I remember seeing this study, and maybe you've read about this too, but you know, that someone I think it was like someone that miss was missing an arm in some horrible accident, and you know, and it was bad for a while there, but then all of a sudden their happiness kind of came back up to a certain level there, right?

SPEAKER_01 58:32

We're so adaptable, it's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

Yep. And that's just the thing to keep in mind here, you know, is like no matter what ailments, whatever you're facing in the moment, you know, be grateful for what you do have, and you know, and and try to create that as your baseline and and try to get to bat to that. So so with all that, like I got to check out your book that you just showed, the the one you got from Hay House, the telemarical The Terra Miracle, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

I got three major convictions. Yeah, this was the original about TA65 and telomerase. That's my stem cell theory of aging. This one is just normal hacks you can do to stay healthy without spending a dime. Yeah. And this is my most recent one about exosomes. And they can learn more at rechargebomedical.com or my YouTube channel, DRPRK65. I put out weekly content, mainly just interviewing experts and learning new things for the audience.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

Awesome. So let's make sure people know where they can find you again. So rechargemedical.com.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Rechargebiomedical.com. Yep. And my YouTube channel, I'm also on Spotify, iHeart Apple, is the Recharge Biomedical Podcast or D-R-P-A-R-K 65.

SPEAKER_00 59:38

Okay, and that's your YouTube handle. Okay, cool. Well, everyone, well, thanks, Dr. Park. I really appreciate that. Everyone that you've been listening to that, send this to someone that you know who is a health-obsessed person in your life who really needs it, and they'll love it. So subscribe to our podcast, The Longevity Loop. If you're a medical provider, check us out. Our marketing company is longevityclinicmarketing.com, where we help providers. And then spanner, s p-n-n-r dot com, is our longevity directory where you can find doctors such as Dr. Park and all kinds of longevity articles. If you're curious about what something is or want to know about red light, you know, red light therapies, cold plunges, it's it's all there and all science backed. So thanks so much, Dr. Park, for joining us. Thanks so much, Brett. Appreciate it. That will sign off.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Okay, thanks. Have a great day.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:32

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